----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:02
AM
Subject: [Assam] Analgesics to the
Rescue
At 8:04 PM -0700 5/24/06, Rajib Das wrote:
I defined it earlier. See the crocin
story.
>When an illiterate person
>is given Crocin (and perhaps for the first time in his
>life)
to reduce temperature and then told Jesus Christ
>healed him, that is as simple as fraud.
** Yeah I saw that. Crocin, an analgesic, to the rescue? That is
laughable. It does however point to the reasoning abilities of certain
people, who could and would willingly make the argument that it might be
enough for an 'illiterate' person to 'convert'. I would submit, that the
'literacy' or 'education' of those proffering such arguments is something
that requires serious evaluation. Read on, and you will see why.
But let us accept even that as an example of fraudulent inducements to
drive them 'illiterates' to convert to Christianity from whatever their
faith might be. If it is Hinduism, then it would not speak much of their
Hindu faith--considering that it melts in the heat of Christian analgesics
like the wicked witches of fairy-tales.
Now then, could 'crocin' induced conversions be reversed with stronger
Hindu medicine? What if the Hinduttwa brigades came to the battle with
powerful weaponry like education, social-work, and the really big
guns--antibiotics? Could that win over Christian 'crocin'?
If NOT, why so?
Umesh will argue that Hindus have no money! But that argument we
can safely discard. I am sure I would not need to hurt anyone's feelings by
going into a painful explanation of why.
So, why is it irreversible? Why is a 'coerced', 'fraudulent',
'bribery' induced conversion irreversible? What prevents the misled from
being shown the light and brought back into the right fold?
The only answers I can see are:
A: These 'illiterates' are forever incorrigible.
But this does not stand to
reason.
B: Once they touch Christianity, they never could come back to
Hinduism, or whatever faith they belonged to prior to the 'fraudulent'
conversion.
This might have some basis,
on the 'jaat mora' concept widely
prevalent among vast numbers
of Hindus.
But I know why no Hindu
above the level of an imbecile would
touch that
explanation.
C: That this whole 'coerced' or 'fraudulent' or 'forced' conversion
argument is bogus as a three rupee note!
--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Define
fraudulent.
>
> But the big question that no Hindu will or
can
> answer is HOW can a
> forced, or fraudulent or coerced
conversion stick,
> unless the 'jaat
> mora' factor, an
essentially caste based Hindu
> shame, is operative?
> What
prevents the converted from reverting to her
> original
state,
> once he is explained that she was converted by
>
fraudulent means, or
> deceived, or coerced?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
At 7:25 PM -0700 5/24/06, Rajib Das wrote:
> >What about
fraudulent conversion?
> >
> >--- Rajib Das < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> >> Mikeda,
>
>>
> >> Another gem from the Oracle of Oxom :-)
> >>
> >> Rajib
> >>
>
>> --- mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
---------------------------------
> >>
> >>
Rajen Barua's lucid explanation of what never
> >>
happened-nor will- forced conversion.
> >>
>
>> BJP OUGHT TO BE ASKED:
> >>
>
>> "Shrimanji Hindimey Boliye"
> >>
>
>> mm
> >>
> >>
>
>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>>
> >> ---------------------------------
>
>>
> >> From: umesh sharma <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
To: Rajen Barua < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ram
> >>
Sarangapani <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,AssamNet
> >> <[email protected]>
> >>
Subject: Re: [Assam] India protests over Pope
>
>> comments -BBC
> >> Date: Wed, 24
May 2006 19:56:50 +0100 (BST)
> >>
> >>
>
>> Rajen-da wrote:
> >>
>
>> *** And in my opinion telling people that
> there is
> >> God is the biggest fraud of
religion.
> >>
> >>
I think you made your point amply clear.
>
>>
> >> Umesh
>
>>
> >>
> >> Rajen Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> >. Let us know how
you feel about a
> Theocratic
> >> leader - the
Pope - trying to teach India about
> >>
secularism
> >>
>
>> I think in this case, we are giving him
the
> scope
> >> to
> >> teach,
and that is why he is trying to teach.
> Why we
>
>> need to give that scope.
>
>> Religious conversion should be a freedom
for
> >> anybody - aspirin or not- period.
>
>> India is violating this fundamental
human
> right.
> >>
>
>> Tell me this.
>
>> Why we allow political conversion - by
>
bribing,
> >> cheating and false promises, and not
religious
> >> freedom?.
>
>> If religion is a way of social life, political
> >> parties are also ways of our political
life.
> >> Why we allow free political
conversion and not
> >> religious conversion?
>
>> What exactly is the difference between
>
religion
> >> and
> >>
politics.
> >> Don't tell me that religion
involve with God.
> >> Is Hinduism is not
fraud when we tell people
> that
> >> God created
four castes?
> >> Is that true?
>
>> What God has to do it?
>
>> And in my opinion telling people that there
is
> God
> >> is the biggest fraud of
religion.
> >>
> >>
>
>> >Do you think India or any country for
that
> matter
> >> should send its ambassadors to
a nation
> (Vatican)
> >> whose sole purpose is to
promote their faith -
> and
> >> stop other
>faiths from flourishing?
> >>
>
>> This is another fraud India is doing. Why
in
> the
> >> hell India is sending an ambassador
to Vatican
> at
> >> all?
> >>
Who is telling India to send an ambassador at
> all?
>
>> India should
> >> have the
guts not to send any ambassador to
> Vatican.
>
>> Why India not sending an ambassador to Dalai
>
Lama's
> >> monastaery?
>
>> But that does not take the responsibility
away
> >> from
> >> India to give
freedom for free religious
> conversion
> >> like
political conversion. If we allow fraud in
> >>
politics, we better allow fraud in religion.
>
>> RB
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: umesh sharma
>
>> To: Barua25 ; Ram Sarangapani ;
AssamNet
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006
12:35 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Assam] India
protests over Pope
> >> comments -BBC
>
>>
> >>
> >>
Rajen-da,
> >>
> >>
You always try to make politically correct
> >>
statements. Let us know how you feel about a
> >>
Theocratic leader - the Pope - trying to teach
> India
>
>> about secularism.
> >>
>
>> Don't give us that we should take advice
from
> >> anyone
> >> and everyone
-as long it is good.Do you think
> India
> >>
or
> >> any country for that matter should send
its
> >> ambassadors to a nation (Vatican) whose sole
> purpose
> >> is to promote their faith - and
stop other
> faiths
> >> from
>
>> flourishing?
> > >
>
>> Umesh
> >>
> >>
Barua25 < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
wrote:
> >>
>
>> >The BJP says that
it supports legislation
> to
> >> ban "forced
religious conversions", because many
> >> Christian
>missionaries recruit converts among
> the
> >>
majority Hindu population using financial and
> >>
educational enticements.
> >> I fail to
understand what is called a "forced
> >> religious
conversion" specially by the
> Christians.
> >>
People can be persuaded, people can be bribed,
> but
>
>> people can be forced to convert? What is wrong
>
in
> >> Christians giving financial and
educational
> >> enticements? Why the Hindus cannot
counter with
> >> better
> >>
educational enticement? We discussed this
> before. I
>
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