Ram:
I think I have forced you off the road completely. You are making
wild assertions now.
>I have heard, in many projects, 0/100.
That is absolutely nothing gets done (everything is done in the
paperwork >though)
I won't question your hearing, but just consider this: If the rumor
has any substance, what does it do to the image of that vicious
Central watch-dog CAG ?
BK will be very disappointed.
I would refrain from taking all the other assertions apart. And I
fess up to my culpability here for taking you there. My bad :-)!
Now then, let us see if we can wrap this round of debates up with
some conclusions:
*** Can we now, with what we unearthed with these debates, agree that
Sandip Dutta's charge that " ONLY --- a few Axomiya officers and
politicians have become rich at the expense of these villagers" is at
least BASELESS, if not entirely malicious, designed to paint Oxomiya
disaffections as THEIR own damn fault?
And thus, YOUR attempt to defend SD's charge also is without merit?
*** However you DID bring out certain 'mitigating circumstances' to
MY addendum that Indian big contractors / consultants are the larger
beneficiaries of Assam and Indian govt. corruption; namely:
# These big Indian beneficiaries indulge in corrupt practices
ONLY because Assam govt. officials do; that they are helpless victims
FORCED to REACT to the corrupt Assamese, in the same vein of Nerobhai
Modi's invocation of Newton's Third Law, which portrays Gujaratis as
inanimate objects that REACTED to Godhra 'incitement'.
# That by NOT RISING AGAINST and abetting Assam Govt. corruption by
default, the entire Oxomiya 'jaati' is also guilty of incubating
and spreading its own disaffections. That it is their own damn fault,
even though YOU could not, or would not TELL us WHAT they could do
to change things under the prevailing system.
# That Assam is unique in its depravity -- that the corruption
of the people of Assam is almost complete, and thus they have forfeited
the right to complain about Indians stealing them blind.
I will let readers make their own judgements about whether the above
'mitigating circumstances' are truly mitigating or actually damning
to the object of your
defense-- the Indian govt..
c-da :-).
At 3:01 PM -0600 11/24/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,
>>Assam contracts are often given to 'non-Assamese' contractors for
several >reasons.
>*** That is NOT the issue.
Why so? Don't we need to know why Assam is forced to look elsewhere
for contractors?
>The issue is HOW they get them.
Companies like Larsen & Tubro or any of the big-wigs in India go
thru the same process of bidding in every state.
They also have competition (amongst themselves). They also are
willing to pay under the table if required to acquire a contract.
The question comes up: Are there vulnerable Axomia chief enggs? The
problem in Assam in particular is a little different.
It is highly possible for a project not done at all but the
allocated money (as much as possible) eaten up.
I still go back to basics - if all the controls are with the
Assamese, why do we fall back into forgiving ourselves
- not our fault, but it is the fault of those corrupt Larsen or
Brakes India guys. We were forced to take that bribe (it was just
too much to resist).
> If they get them thru the sheer power of the legendary
Indian >meritocracy, then "--few Axomiya officers--" , much less
the >entire Oxomiya jaati -- would not get to keep that 40 of the
60/40 >arrangement, and would not rile the likes of Sandip Dutta
or >yourself, would it?
>*** Finally, what is the origin of the 30/70, changed to 40/60,
and now probably running at 50/50 ? Is it also an uniquely >Oxomiya
invention ?
You are right, they probably work with a 30/70 rate (in Assam, 70
being the "take" or cost of doing buisiness).
Years ago, I read this report: It listed Assam as being the most
expensive state to trade. That is one reason, the prices are higher
(and service qualities the lowest possible).
No, the Oxomiyas did not invent these ratios - but looks like they
have perfected it. I have heard, in many projects, 0/100.
That is absolutely nothing gets done (everything is done in the
paperwork though)
>>The solution is for Assamese themselves to want a change, they
must be able to >define corruption as something that
is >>detrimental to the state, and not >something that just happens.
The solution lies firmly with the Assamese with >not wanting >>to
tolerate anything that will hurt their state.
>*** You disappoint me so Ram! Is this any answer ? Even an utterly
'hwja', /bhwda', 'dhwdor-posola', 'ignorant villager' could
do >better than that :-).
C'da - if the Assamese themselves do not want it and they put
forward the 'upai nai', 'ki nu korim' or 'kopal ot ji likha'
solutions for all these, thenall they have done is give their
blessings to corrupt practices all over Assam. They have made it a
norm
--Ram
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