One thing at a time Nayan , be patient :-).
I will be pleased to reply to everything.
*** The cut and paste routine is IMPORTANT to keep the CONTEXT in front of us.
It is merely a FORMAT and does not effect the substance. So I am
baffled by your or Chitta's allergy to the form, while you digress
from the substantial issues or avoid them altogether.
is that the main question that needs to be deabted now is not how to
gain >independence and what will happen if Assam is ever made/gains
independent >(independence).
*** I understand and agree. And I addressed it before, but you all
either do not see or ignore it.
BEFORE we can examine how to END the conflict, one must examine the
CONDITIONS that gave rise to it to begin with. Is that an irrational
perception on my part Nayan?
I will accept that you know far more about the conditions prevalent
in Assam today than I could, even though I like to think I am fairly
well educated abut them. And in facxt I know a whole lot more about
the conditions in the back-woods of Assam than even you might.
So, you tell us, IF the conditions that gave rise to the conflict
have been eradicated, or ameliorated and point to a discernable trend
for positive change for us to draw conclusions from.
*** And if it is not there to be found or seen, what would you recommend?
Do something about the conditions?
Expect ULFA to disappear, regardless?
Implore Indian military to wipe them out?
Sincerely enter into negotiations for a political solution,
with gives and takes?
Implore people like me not to foment trouble from abroad :-), like
you have been doing?
Something else?
it would be further helpful if you can give some concrete facts
about this >independence thing
**** Like WHAT? What 'concrete' fact do you want? The question is so
vague, even a two bit desi-judge would overrule you if you asked a
witness such a question in a court.
yours too is made up that it is good
*** The difference is in JUSTIFICATION. My position is a result of
analyzing and coming to a logical conclusion. It was NOT an idea
pulled out from under my hat and put on a pedestal as an icon.
But those of you who are so mortified by independence have NOT been
able to , not even attempted to that is, to articulate a sentence on
WHY it is BAD.
Is that what, educated, rational people, able to reason, do?
Go ahead make your case why it is BAD. Try your persuasive skills. We
are all ears here :-).
"THE BASIC UNIT OF ANY SOCIETY IS ALWAYS AN INDIVIDUAL" and it come
out from >your very own example. you decided to go to america for
your own benefit, not >for assam. if you had any feelings for assam
then you would have stayed back >and fought for the betterment of
this society / system.
*** Yes indeed. I agree with you that the 'basic unit-----individual'.
And I agree that I left because I saw NO potential to advance my own
career or potential in the society I was in. And it is true that
America provided me, an INDIVIDUAL, the opportunities to advance my
interests and realize my potentials, as opposed to POSING OBSTACLES,
like Indian governance does. In the process American society reaps
the benefit of the advancement of individuals like myself.
THAT is what Assam society needs to do to improve its own condition:
By REWARDING the able, the producers, the risk-takers and the
law-abiding, while
deterring the opposite.
That is why Assam needs to retool its governance.
But since I left, does not make MY views any less RELEVANT or my
suggestions DETRIMENTAL or DESTRUCTIVE, provided they are substantial
otherwise, like Dalit's in a casteist India might.
Wouldn't you agree?
I think the answer is right in front of us. economic and social
upliftment >of assam (assamese society).
*** You answered your own question to that. But there is MORE to it.
Independence is not ALL about economic and social upliftment alone.
That is why I said, it is bot a trophy and a tool. People do not
live by bread alone. If they did, India would not have fought
for its independence, and losing hundreds of thousands of lives of
their own in the process.
For economic upliftment, the NUMBER ONE requirement is to EMPOWER the
INDIVIDUALS by giving them the all TOOLS to help their own lots with:
An education, basic healthcare, a society with rule of law, protect
property rights, provide infrastructure, open up markets and so
forth. That is the ONLY way. Not by giving them bribes, or handouts
for no work. Assam cannot sustain itself by hoping to receive more
handouts from India. Not sustainable!
Question is HOW will that happen under the system in place.
You tell us, and I will change views. Is that a deal :-)?
c-da
At 12:23 AM +0530 3/1/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
C Da,
Please stop your cut and paste routine and reply to my views. i am
sorry to see that you have altogether avoided the example (you) i
have cited in my views. i have also included the possible solution
(although its in one or two words only) which needs to be further
deliberated upon so as to fine tune it, but i see that you have
decided to remain silent on that front too. But yes, this confirms
my views on what i have written earlier on turning your back on the
situations. and it would be further helpful if you can give some
concrete facts about this independence thing. just like Chittaranjan
Pathak has made up his mind that independence is bad, yours too is
made up that it is good. but he has been able to cite history and
present supporting his views whereas you have been repeating the
same thing (INDEPENDENCE) without giving any concreate supporting
evidence for the same.
i would further invite you to give your views on "THE BASIC UNIT OF
ANY SOCIETY IS ALWAYS AN INDIVIDUAL" in relation to your going to
america and its implication on assam (assamese society).
On 2/28/07, Chan Mahanta
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Hi Nayan:
I am very pleased to see this note from you. You are the FIRST and
ONLY one to ACKNOWLEDGE :
" i only liked the one you wrote about "Assam's governmental
system". i liked it because it is what is required.
*** That WAS the thrust of my entire effort.
*** Oh, I know there are others who know that too. Some don't
express it, because they are with it; have been all along. There are
others who DID NOT expect to see what I proposed. They thought I was
about to hang myself and gave me all the rope to help me along :-).
The deafening silence however is understandable:
One can decry it, but at the cost of losing all credibility.
Some truly don't know and yet others play 'no-comprendo' :-) and
thus unable to decide if it is good, bad or no different.
Some have long decided, out of their own lack of self-assurance
and lack of faith in their own abilities that these are UTOPIAN
ideas which others like them--(kharkhowas after all:-( --will never
be able to attain. Governance to them is such a mysterious
thing, thanks
to the perception they grew up with: That once the polity elected
their govt. 'democratically', that is the end of THEIR
responsibilities.
Thus talking about something unattainable only will only
encourage and egg-on the disaffected, which will put at risk whatever
they and their near and dear ones have eked out so far, either by
their own efforts or thru the largesse of reverse Robinhoodism of
Assam and Indian Govts.
>What you want for Assam is laudable but is it what the people
want? I think Mr. >Chittaranjan Pathak has more or less placed the
true state of affairs from past >to present.
*** I do not see Chitta's post in that light. His mind is made up
on the fact that 'independence for Assam is BAD---so don't bother me
with the facts of WHY it is even needed', just like all most others
here.
*** What YOU write however requires further deliberation: "--but is
it what the people want?"
That has to be looked at in view of WHAT they KNOW. Do the people
KNOW what they want and WHY they want it?
That is why I posed the question about Independence: Is it a TROPHY or a TOOL?
*** This was NEVER explored and discussed by Assam
intelligentsia--the people who lead, and educate their uninformed.
That is exactly why WE need to analyze it, discuss it, help people
understand WHERE the root of their disaffections lie, what possible
solutions may be and of course they could be attained. That
independence is an essential TOOL and not merely a trophy or an end
unto itself, like many of our friends have long accepted.
*** But without doing that, to assert that the PEOPLE don't WANT it,
like Chitta does and many others past or present do, is not a
RATIONALE stance. Should not be.
What do you think?
c-da
PS: Thanks for sharing your background. It is very impressive. I
hope it will take you places :-).
At 11:09 PM +0530 2/28/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
C Da,
Sorry for the slight delay but i wanted to go through what the
consolidated reading of your whole series meant to me. When i
congratulated you on your piece, i did not mean all the things you
wrote. i only liked the one you wrote about "Assam's governmental
system". i liked it because it is what is required. but that does
not in any way mean that it is also attainable ans ofcourse
sustainable once somehow its attained.
next, although i had made up my mind to share a few thoughts with
assamnet about your whole series, but in light of what Mr.
Chittaranjan Pathak has written all i wanted to share has become
redundent. i could not possibly have said it better than him. What
you want for Assam is laudable but is it what the people want? I
think Mr. Chittaranjan Pathak has more or less placed the true state
of affairs from past to present.
But from my limited intelligence and experience what i have been
able to conclude is that the main question that needs to be deabted
now is not how to gain independence and what will happen if Assam is
ever made/gains independent (independence). Infact the main question
is that why independence and what to do to stop this bloodshed in
the name of independence.
I think the answer is right in front of us. economic and social
upliftment of assam (assamese society). now you will say
that everybody knows this. of course they do. but why nothing is
happening?
let us take an example. say your example- why did you leave assam
and go to america. because america could offer you more than what
assam or for that reason, india could offer you (what more commonly
is known as brain drain). i think that one of the main reasons of
your going to america is the better living standards there (read
with better economic conditions for you and your family/ better
education for your children and so on). now the question arises as
to how to retain persons like you in assam. the answer would be to
offer you something more than what america is offering. if assam
cannot retain its people then how can it prosper. and is it the duty
of only the government to do the spoonfeeding for its intellects?
the best brains of assam are either NRA's or DEAD (in jungles of
BHUTAN, MYANMAR, ASSAM ARUNACHAL etc.,). so who's left in assam to
manage its resources. inexperienced duds like us ofcourse.
so now another question arises as to who is to be blamed for this
pathetic situation of assam. the people of assam / government of
india / assam who are somehow keeping it all under control or the
better capables with sufficient knowhow and intellect who could have
contributed to the development of assam and the assamese society
but instead chose to show their backs to the situation and are
living happily as NRAs and like to debate on internet showing off
their computer skills.
i'll let you and all others who crave independence for assam decide
this. and another thing i'd like to bring to your notice "THE BASIC
UNIT OF ANY SOCIETY IS ALWAYS AN INDIVIDUAL" and it come out from
your very own example. you decided to go to america for your own
benefit, not for assam. if you had any feelings for assam then you
would have stayed back and fought for the betterment of this society
/ system.
And as for my inexperience:
I have a Degree in Political Science
and am a practising lawyer in Gauhati High Court having my very own Chamber
Was the Class Representative to the Students Union in J. B Law College
was awarded the Rashtrapati Scout award in 1996.
was the General Secretary of the B. Borooah College Mountaineering
and Allied Sports Unit.
represented Assam in the East Zone Sport Climbing competition held
in Kolkata in 1997 and 98
still hold the 2nd position among rock climbers in Assam (till the
last competition which was held in 2003)
Am a member of the Explorers Mountaineering club
was member of the pioneer Rafting Expeditions in Beki and Namsang rivers
Was a News Stringer for DD NEWS (Guwahati) and also produced various
documentaries on the socio economic problems and solutions for the
PPC (NE)
and i do not live in a fools paradise.
--
Nayanjyoti Medhi
Advocate
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