Come right in Ram.
BUT, what do ALL you cite below have to do with ULFA's responsibilities:
A: On preventing B'deshi immigration?
B: Increasing or decreasing the rate of such immigration?
C: The complainers' actions or lack thereof in seeking
accountability and action
from those who ARE REALLY responsible and have the authority and
the resources?
D: In PROVIDING employment to such immigrants?
And if you cannot show any, what is the value of such editorials , their
applauders and their real motives here?
At 10:06 AM -0600 6/21/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da
If I may butt in a bit :)
>**** ULFA was egged on by Assam intelligentsia to do its dirty work,
which it could not get done by its >'legitimate' govt.
I agree, a lot this did happen (in the early years 1979 and onward). And
today, we can see some of those intelligentsia on the other side of the
fence. Yes, I have scant respect for them (for not being principled), but
not surprised - after
But when the going got tough and the ULFA had to take up defensive
positions, to >seek shelter from the INdian army, what happened?
Why was the Indian Army called up? Did something happen? Did the ULFA go
on a killing spree? Or did the GOI/GOA just decide to let the army loose on
defenceless people for some target practice?
>Since some of them seem to be in B'desh--or at least so claimed by the
Indian propaganda machinery, >they now stand accused of CREATING and
SUSTAINING the B'deshi infiltration problem.
What do you mean "claimed"? A number of independent sources (some in the
US) place the ULFA leadership in B'desh.
Not just that - some B'deshi sources are crying foul now, as the ULFA is
backing (financially) some candidates in the B'desh elections.
As far as the illegal infiltration problem is concerned, most will agree
with the areas of responsibility GOI/GOA etc. But the ULFA is no angel in
this mess.
While the Govt. entities who ought to have taken control of the situation
are guilty of omission, negligence, and maybe sheer apathy and incompetence,
the ULFA seems to have taken ACTIVE positions - like killing those
dangerous (anti Assam) Bihari brick kiln workers, while, in most likelihood
encouraging B'deshis to occupy Assam. It is quite possible that the ULFA
leadership may have bought into their host's dream of a greater "Sonar
Bangla".
Lets go thru the logic here (with your help :))
-intelligensia in Assam may have egged some angry/wayward youth to take up
arms, get rid of the Indian establishment
- these youths buy that, kill , extort, maim - hone their skills into a
fine art - that they even have a "publicity wing" and maybe a "3rd Army"
(not to confuse with old George Patton here)
-the Indian Army gives these youth a run for their ill-gotten wealth
- they then yell 'Uncle' and blue murder, and of course, let lose their
version of a Goebbles to fan out a propaganda machinery of how the evil
Indian empire is. As usual, their sympathizers, start singing praises - as
if on cue :)
-they (the leadership) BRAVELY hide in God-foresaken places like B'desh -
but are intelligent and brave enough to send low level cadres to do their
dirty work and pay the ultimate penalty for this mis-guided 'revolution'.
--they also take shelter in places like Bhutan
--Since it is cowardly to take on the Indian Army, these brave youths (by
now old men) decide to take on dangerous targets - like babies, 'dangerous'
auto-rickshaw drivers (they do drive fast:)), women & children, office-goers
etc, etc.
In essence, the ULFA was formed to become the judge, jury and excutioner.
In all this excutioning, the ulfa leadership seems to have lost its head,
somewhere along the line!
The distinction is most people see this, while some still don't.
--Ram
On 6/21/07,* Chan Mahanta* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Its an interesting a good news-bad news response.
The good news is that there is an inkling of reasoning starting up, for a
change. The bad news is that it starts but sputters and stalls. Question is
why? Ran out of intellectual fuel, or deliberately turned the engine off to
prevent it from going where it might lead one to?
Let us examine it:
>I agree that infiltration is a State and National level problem.
**** Yeah? Ok, that is so very thoughtful! Then what?
End of story? Or should there be more to it, IF someone is REALLY
worried, concerned about the issue?
'State and national level problem'', one might think it is a big one. And
WHO exactly is responsible to look after it? Who have the AUTHORITY, the
RESPONSIBILITY and the RESOURCES to deal with it?
ULFA?
Assam state govt.?
Indian govt.?
The citizenry WHO employs the illegals and sustain them?
And WHO among the citizenry DO employ them? Bhodai Kalita of Bhekulimora
Gaon or Ramchand Aggarwal of Tinsukiya or Hyder Ali, brick kiln operator, or
Harsh Mehta , factory owner from Amingaon, or Sri or Srimati Retired ACS
Officer from Kharghuli?
**** If we let that intellectual engine run its course seeking the source
of the REAL sustainers of the illegal aliens, as proposed here, it will be
instantly clear that the PRIMARily RESPONSIBLE entities here are, in order
of importance:
A: The Central Indian Govt.
B: The Assam State Govt., created in the image of the Center and
sustained by it.
C: The PEOPLE who RUN these govts, namely the ESTABLISHMENT.
D: The business community of Assam--which is far and widely
composed of non-natives.
E: The upper crust of urban Assam, who got there , by and large,
from the largesse of the
reverse-Robinhood state who steal from the many to enrich the few,
but producing little
if anything.
And who is held guilty of it by the Sentinel and righteously outraged
members of assamnet from the ranks of the desi-knowledge-brigade?
ULFA!
Of course, what else can we expect!
LET us now examine ULFA's role:
**** ULFA was egged on by Assam intelligentsia to do its dirty work, which
it could not get done by its 'legitimate' govt. But when the going got tough
and the ULFA had to take up defensive positions, to seek shelter from the
INdian army, what happened?
The BRAVE Assam intelligentsia who egged them on, disappeared into the
ranks of the righteous ,democracy loving, loyal Indians! That includes the
Sentinel.
And when ULFA had to seek shelter in neighboring independent states, they
became cowards.
Since some of them seem to be in B'desh--or at least so claimed by the
Indian propaganda machinery, they now stand accused of CREATING and
SUSTAINING the B'deshi infiltration problem.
*There you go. The power of logical thinking in full display or what?*
But if you asked me, it is a most shameless attempt at 'force
multiplication' to RAW and MHA's propaganda efforts.
That a section of Assam's own would participate in it, is a disgrace.
cm
At 5:53 PM +0800 6/20/07, Jyotirmoy Sharma wrote:
I agree that infiltration is a State and National level problem. However I
would disagree to completely absolve ULFA of blame in regards to
infiltration from across the border.
They are indirectly abetting the problem by:
- setting up base in their country.
- becoming one of them ( You must have all known by now how ULFA's CinC
has himself married a B'deshi and adopted Islam )
- tying up with Jehadi groups whose sole aim is to create an Islamic
empire.
- by killing daily wage labourers ( Biharis ) they have created a vacumn
to be filled in by their mates. I fail to understand how these labourers
could have become exploiters of the land.
- never openly adopting a stand on the issue of B'deshi immigrants who are
all set to outnumber the locals. FYI I have read that the migrants already
form the majority in 6 of Assam's districts. No doubt they were bold enough
to ask for a new autonomous council. Tomorrow they may ask to be merged with
B'desh due to similarity of religion and language. Maybe that is not of a
concern to ULFA or it's sympathizers who may think that we are better off
with B'desh than with India.
JS
On 20/06/2007, at 3:43 AM, Chan Mahanta wrote:
Good observation.
Only one slight correction: I did not read the ULFA note of this morning
as blaming RSS and APW for bringing ALL bombs and violence to Assam, as
implied here.
Finally, citing the 'blame game', willy-nilly can be construed as
attempting to shelter the responsible. There is nothing wrong in attempting
to determine responsibility. It is essential. But to do it with such
absurdity as demonstrated by the Sentinel, and parroted by so many others
who can be expected to be a tad bit more discerning, is what is truly
amazing.
At 7:40 AM -0700 6/19/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
The Sentinel blaming ULFA for the change in demography is the same kind of
logic as ULFA blaming RSS and APW for bringing bombs and violence to Assam
as alleged in a recent publication. Both show outstanding deductive
reasoning!
Independent of who the players are, the process of this blame game is
mind boggling.
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I know I am not the most sympathetic of Sentinel editorial pieces. But
that is easily understood by our friends, since I am avowedly biased,
against that is, what the Sentinel usually spouts , be it openly or be it in
the guise of analyses.
But this piece, I must say is OUTSTANDING!
It is not hard to understand why. But still, at the risk of attempting to
point out the obvious , I seek my fellow netters' indulgence in underscoring
them:
>Do the formation of the United Liberation Front of
>Asom (ULFA) and its leaders taking shelter in Bangladesh have
>anything to do with the present demographic trend in Asom?
> Circles concerned in the State think that after the emergence
of the ULFA, there has been a large-scale infiltration from
>Bangladesh to Asom.
*( As is obvious from the statistics cited)*
>If the ULFA is a gainer of sorts by having to get a safe
sanctuary in Bangladesh, the illegal Bangladeshis in Asom are also an
equal gainer -* thanks, of course, to the ULFA's silence on these
illegal lot, and thus its silence on the process of reverse *
*>demography in the State.*
>It may be mentioned here that* The Sentinel published* a report
recently quoting intelligence reports* that over 20 jehadi groups have
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*tied up with the ULFA* so as to carry out subversive activities in the
>State.
> Repeated attacks on Hindi-speaking people, who
>comprise a large part of the labour force in the State, are an
>attempt to create job avenues for illegal Bangladeshis.
**** Now, putting two and two together ( the unimpeachable evidence above
that is ),can anyone ( I mean other than the die-hard anti-Indian ) in his
right mind NOT conclude that:
Circles concerned in the State feel* that the ULFA's goal *
*of an "independent Asom" has virtually turned into a goal for a *
*"greater Bangladesh" comprising Asom as the most cherished territory ?*
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**** Rarely have I seen such clarity and incisiveness in sorting out
complex statistics and secretive intelligence reports in presenting to the
fair-and-balanced and patriotic Indian readers, in simple prose, the
unadulterated but disgusting truths about ULFA and its nefarious designs.
Where is the ULFA, that Assam once put together and sent out, with
'gamosaar tongaali', to give war on the 'lungi menace' and rid Assam of the
'adha-kota' plague? Where is the ULFA that the likes of the Sentinel egged
on to go die for preserving Assam for the Bamuns' and Kayosthos' peace of
mind?
Where is the ULFA that the Assam establishment sponsored, armed, sheltered
and trained for border protection, which the BSF and the Indian Owners of
Assam cannot or would not?
What a tragic turn of events! What khai-paat-fola ( ingrates) these ULFAs
are!
**** Now my friends you know WHY even *I * consider this editorial
OUTSTANDING, which you the
rest, must already have known, even before Jyoti brought it to light.
Yours not-so-truly,
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At 12:54 PM +0800 6/19/07, Jyotirmoy Sharma wrote:
From the Sentinel
Whom should we blame it on?
Thanks to illegal immigration from Bangladesh, the demographic
profile of Asom has been reversed.
By a Staff Reporter
GUWAHATI, June 18: Do the formation of the United Liberation Front of
Asom (ULFA) and its leaders taking shelter in Bangladesh have
anything to do with the present demographic trend in Asom? Though
these two are seemingly different issues, yet the religion-wise
population figures of census reports compel one to look at the
current demographic pattern of the State from that angle too.
The ULFA was formed on April 7, 1979 with the demand for a "sovereign
Asom", and ULFA leaders took shelter in Bangladesh in 1989. Census
reports reveal that Muslim population in the State - thanks to
illegal immigration from Bangladesh - started to rise steeply since
the ULFA was formed and its leaders took shelter in Bangladesh.
According to sources, an ULFA cadre first went to Bangladesh in 1989
and met a minister belonging to the Bangladesh Nationalist Party
(BNP), and that meeting paved the way for ULFA cadres getting arms
training under the ISI in Peshawar in Pakistan, in 1990-91. Of
course, the first batch of 40 ULFA cadres, including 'commander-in-
chief' Paresh Baruah, got arms training under the NSCN at its camps
in Myanmar in 1983. The second batch of 90 ULFA cadres, including
Arabinda Rajkhowa and Kalpajyoti Neog, got arms training under the
NSCN at Kachin in Myanmar, in 1986.
The census figures, on the other hand, say that Hindu population of
Goalpara district in 1971 was 50.11 per cent against 41.50 per cent
Muslim population, but after 20 years - in 1991 - Hindu population in
the district fell abruptly to 39.89 per cent, while Muslim population
rose steeply to 50.18 per cent. In Dhubri district, Hindu population
in 1971 was 38.80 per cent against 60.46 per cent Muslim population,
but in 1991, Hindu population declined to 28.73 per cent while the
Muslim population rose to 70.45 per cent. In Barpeta district, Hindu
population in 1971 was 51.12 per cent against 48.65 Muslim
population, but 20 years later, Muslim population rose to 56.07 per
cent leaving the Hindu population behind at 40.26 per cent. In
Hailakandi district, Hindu population in 1971 was 47.48 per cent
against 51.40 per cent Muslim population, but 20 years later, while
Hindu population fell to 43.71 per cent, Muslim population rose to
54.79 per cent. In most of the other districts, Hindu population
registered a slight fall, while Muslim population registered a rise.
As per the 2001 Census report, the overall Hindu population in the
State was 64.9 per cent against 67.1 per cent in 1991, while for
Muslim population the figures for the corresponding years stood at
30.9 per cent and 28.4 per cent.
It may be mentioned here that The Sentinel published a report
recently quoting intelligence reports that over 20 jehadi groups have
tied up with the ULFA so as to carry out subversive activities in the
State. Circles concerned in the State think that after the emergence
of the ULFA, there has been a large-scale infiltration from
Bangladesh to Asom. Repeated attacks on Hindi-speaking people, who
comprise a large part of the labour force in the State, are an
attempt to create job avenues for illegal Bangladeshis. Now the
demographic trend in some lower Asom districts has reached such a
pretty pass that an AUDF MLA even went to the extent of raising the
demand for an "autonomous council" for the "minorities" of those
districts. Circles concerned in the State feel that the ULFA's goal
of an "independent Asom" has virtually turned into a goal for a
"greater Bangladesh" comprising Asom as the most cherished territory.
On the other hand, the BSF has also failed to check infiltration from
Bangladesh as also other illegal cross-border activities, thanks to
the porous border that is yet to completely fenced. Had the
Government of India been awake to the urgent need for completely
sealing the Indo-Bangladesh border, with the same promptness as shown
in respect of Jammu & Kashmir or Punjab in relation to the border
with Pakistan, one could have hoped for a bit of action on the ground
against illegal immigration from Bangladesh. But that is yet to
happen. If the ULFA is a gainer of sorts by having to get a safe
sanctuary in Bangladesh, the illegal Bangladeshis in Asom are also an
equal gainer - thanks, of course, to the ULFA's silence on these
illegal lot, and thus its silence on the process of reverse
demography in the State.
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