When I say FACTS AND FIGURES, I was talking not about our religious heroes, but about Science and Mathametics. Say for instance, what India did in case of Mathematics and when? Can you produce any written evidence that India invented the Zero and when? It is difficult.
I donot like to deal with mythical figures like Shiva, Krishna etc. I consider these Indian gods to be purely mythical figures transformed from some original tribal religious cults. In my opinion, Shiva was orginally a local god in the Harappa civilization and Krishna was a Dravidian local tribal god. This much history tells. Do you have any other evidence to counter that , not who believes what? Rajen da ----- Original Message ----- From: umesh sharma To: Rajen & Ajanta Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Indian reality versus Western mythology Rajen-da, Good to get your response. Now about facts - would you not agree that most Hindus hail Krishna as one of the Hindu heroes and believe that he lived in India thousands of years back --- I wanted to put that on Wikipedia page of Krishna - and they asked for facts -- what do you expect me to do? I believe wiki is a good example of people over the globe trying to have "sameness" - even here there is bias. Second, on Jesus's wiki page I added a comment that many Indians believe that Jesus came to learn his skills in India (and I added a BBC report on that with weblink) and that was deleted - saying this is no research evidence -- for Indian news on Indian culture even an obscure reference (with no weblink) in any newspaer article in remote India is considered okay by its editors -- incidently for Jesus they have stopped anyone from editing the page. Anyone is free to write anything about Krshna , Ram etc -- thats free for all. whats that to do with facts? Thats plain bias. Umesh Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Umesh: What you are saying is right. The West has a Eurocentric view of the world. They claim that the basic foundation of the Western Civilization, especially on science, is mainly based on Greek civilization. They even donot like to give proper credit to the Indian and Chinese contribution in mathetics and other science. I would say, the West is still in the Dark Age. However, they have a point. Indians basically donot have any record of what they did. If you want to counter the present Eurocentric view, the best (and only way) is to debate will SOLID facts and figures and not with rhetoric. If you have any specific issue, I would be glad to discus. Rajenda ----- Original Message ----- From: umesh sharma To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 7:04 PM Subject: [Assam] Indian reality versus Western mythology Some days back a student of Indian origin born and raised in US was surprised to learn that India had a glorious history - he hardly believed me though. And it did not surprise me since I have come to realize that every civilization wants to promote itself as the best - Greek and Roman civilization are promoted as ideals (closely followed by Egyptian one) -- Indian and Chinese ones are lesser ones. Greek Toga costume parties are common features of Western univs just like Indian kurta, dhoti are picking up in Indian college fashion shows. However, the problem is that Western historians/scholars of non Western spheres call themselves (and each other) as the world's foremost/only reliable experts on their chosen area of expertise - namely hows and whys of other civilization. Most believe (I believe) that those in non-western world/developing world are too naive/unscientific/non-modern/non-rational to understand and appreciate the distinction between good and bad; and right and wrong. I believe a lay westerner is more tolerant of others' views than these experts (whose reputation and even careers depend on promoting what they have always held as true). I just created a wikipedia page called Hindu Reality -speaking against this tendency (I'm sure someone will come along and remove my arguments). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_reality - I just checked --someone has deleted the page itself. Wiki seems to be about might is right - Any comments? Umesh Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. 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