Barua, Just couldn't resist not butting in.
Without going into the existence of Krishna, Shiva or Jesus :)here is a site about Ancient Math in India. Also let us not forget Aryabhatta (Math) and Kautilya(Politics & Governance). http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/Indexes/Indians.html (BTW: the site is from a UK University and NOT something conjured up in India:) --Ram On 8/10/07, barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When I say FACTS AND FIGURES, I was talking not about our religious > heroes, but about Science and Mathametics. > Say for instance, what India did in case of Mathematics and when? > Can you produce any written evidence that India invented the Zero and > when? It is difficult. > > I donot like to deal with mythical figures like Shiva, Krishna etc. I > consider these Indian gods to be purely mythical figures transformed from > some original tribal religious cults. In my opinion, Shiva was orginally a > local god in the Harappa civilization and Krishna was a Dravidian local > tribal god. This much history tells. Do you have any other evidence to > counter that , not who believes what? > Rajen da > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [email protected] > *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2007 1:33 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Assam] Indian reality versus Western mythology > > > Rajen-da, > > Good to get your response. Now about facts - would you not agree that most > Hindus hail Krishna as one of the Hindu heroes and believe that he lived in > India thousands of years back --- I wanted to put that on Wikipedia page of > Krishna - and they asked for facts -- what do you expect me to do? I > believe wiki is a good example of people over the globe trying to have > "sameness" - even here there is bias. > > Second, on Jesus's wiki page I added a comment that many Indians believe > that Jesus came to learn his skills in India (and I added a BBC report on > that with weblink) and that was deleted - saying this is no research > evidence -- for Indian news on Indian culture even an obscure reference > (with no weblink) in any newspaer article in remote India is considered okay > by its editors -- incidently for Jesus they have stopped anyone from editing > the page. Anyone is free to write anything about Krshna , Ram etc -- thats > free for all. > > whats that to do with facts? Thats plain bias. > > Umesh > > *Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > Umesh: > What you are saying is right. > The West has a Eurocentric view of the world. They claim that the basic > foundation of the Western Civilization, especially on science, is mainly > based on Greek civilization. They even donot like to give proper credit to > the Indian and Chinese contribution in mathetics and other science. I would > say, the West is still in the Dark Age. However, they have a point. Indians > basically donot have any record of what they did. If you want to counter the > present Eurocentric view, the best (and only way) is to debate will SOLID > facts and figures and not with rhetoric. > If you have any specific issue, I would be glad to discus. > Rajenda > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Saturday, August 04, 2007 7:04 PM > *Subject:* [Assam] Indian reality versus Western mythology > > > Some days back a student of Indian origin born and raised in US was > surprised to learn that India had a glorious history - he hardly believed me > though. > > And it did not surprise me since I have come to realize that every > civilization wants to promote itself as the best - Greek and Roman > civilization are promoted as ideals (closely followed by Egyptian one) -- > Indian and Chinese ones are lesser ones. > > Greek Toga costume parties are common features of Western univs just like > Indian kurta, dhoti are picking up in Indian college fashion shows. > > > However, the problem is that Western historians/scholars of non Western > spheres call themselves (and each other) as the world's foremost/only > reliable experts on their chosen area of expertise - namely hows and whys of > other civilization. Most believe (I believe) that those in non-western > world/developing world are too naive/unscientific/non-modern/non-rational to > understand and appreciate the distinction between good and bad; and right > and wrong. > > I believe a lay westerner is more tolerant of others' views than these > experts (whose reputation and even careers depend on promoting what they > have always held as true). > > I just created a wikipedia page called Hindu Reality -speaking against > this tendency (I'm sure someone will come along and remove my arguments). > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_reality - I just checked --someone has > deleted the page itself. > > Wiki seems to be about might is right - > > Any comments? > > Umesh > > > > > > > Umesh Sharma > > Washington D.C. > > 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] > > Ed.M. - International Education Policy > Harvard Graduate School of Education, > Harvard University, > Class of 2005 > > http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) > > http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) > > > > > www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) > > > > > http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ > ------------------------------ > Yahoo! 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