At 8:23 PM -0700 9/30/04, Dilip Deka wrote:
I am surprised at this talk that is delirious and single track minded.
Actually it does not bother me at all to be told that I might be
in a delirium.
After all, the delirious cannot have any sense of what is sane
and what is
'bhrom' :-), or if one is stuck on a single track, or going back
and forth attempting to have it both ways. But leaving such conundrums
aside, let us take a look again at the issues ( or non-issues).
>If as a person ABV meant well, Dr. Singh means well, and so
many other leaders >in Delhi mean well, then who is left who does
not mean well?
*** Is this an example of sound analysis of a highly experienced,
well-informed, deep thinking individual or a knee-jerk response of
someone attempting to wiggle out of a jam created by his own
politically inspired spin peddling?
Let me give a simple, but well flogged 'national' issue: The IMDT
act.
Let us for a moment AGREE, for arguments' sake, that it is
something as bad as ABV and all others who echoed his
sentiments, proclaim it is for Assam and what an abomination it is to
the DEMOCRATIC process:
Then how come the NDA, while it was in power, and all the other
good people such as Manmohan Singh and/or his party fail to move to do
away with it? Surely the UPA has already gotten into action to remove
the NDA perpetrated abomination of POTA.
WHY is it that all these fine , upstanding, kind, understanding,
highly educated, dedicated-to-democracy Indians NOT lift a finger to
REMOVE the highly discriminatory IMDT?
Can you explain it?
*** Let me give you another example: The UPA Home Minister went
to Manipur
to attempt to quell the uprising against AFSPA, a corrosive,
thoroughly undemocratic edict that operates ONLY in the NE. They don't
have it EVEN in Kashmir. And what did he do? Did he soothe the
bitterness of Manipuris or did his pronouncements inflame it?
How do you explain that? How do you explain that AFSPA is
necessary all over the NE, while it is not so, even in Kashmir?
What does it say about the Indian nation's commitments to
democracy?
I can go on and on.
*** The bottom line: The Indians are unable to work together for
the common INDIAN good. The concept does not exist. Exercise of
democracy, would be little more than tyranny of the majority, had it
not been for the occasional enlightened intervention of the supreme
court. But even the SC has taken on an imperial aura, as can be seen
on its ruling on riverlinking during the NDA regime.
>If you don't respect others, others don't respect you- it is
as simple as that.
*** Such philosophical gems don't usually register on the
delirious. Save it for the easily spun or the utterly simple
minded.
>You will say it is the system, but the system is made up of people like these.
*** I would suggest you think this one out a bit deeper. I know
you are eminently capable of doing so. I know I am playing school-marm
here. But I hate to see my highly capable friends letting their
reasoning power go into atrophy for lack of use.
>Do you think ABV had some ethnic hatred towards the
Assamese people when he >used the term "disloyal", if he
used that term at all?
*** First of all, I may not agree with Bhuban Kokaideu's
opinions, but I would not caste aspersions on his truthfulness in
reporting what ABV said about what the exPM believed was the cause of
the rebelliousness of the NE.
On that basis, only the die-hard spinner would attempt to caste a
favorable spin on ABV's intellectual acuity ( or an appalling lack
there-of) as displayed in that pronouncement, by pulling something
like "some ethnic hatred towards the Assamese people"
out of nowhere.
Not me, not anybody else suggested, even obliquely, that any such
reason was the cause of ABV's proclamation.
I would however give ABV a little wiggle room in that Baruah
Kokaideu's question could not really be answered in ONE WORD as was
asked of him. He could have refused to be cornered into that. But
instead he gave an answer that reinforced his fuddy-duddiness, as
expressed in an earlier pronouncement in reply to a question about why
Indians were so corrupt or something in that line, several years
ago.
The simplicity ( I am minding my words here) parallels
GWB's.
>When will you start looking at the world without the bias and
hatred towards >other Indians?
*** There is something uncannily familiar with 'hatred' as the
explanation for all evil, real and perceived. It seems to be the Texas
air, or is it the water, that imbues one with sensory powers to zero
in on 'personal hatred' as the stock explanation for all politically
unpalatable or unanswerable issues?
I know it works on the clueless. But let us not do it in this
forum. The chances of it flying here is about as good as that of a
lead balloon :-).
If as a person ABV meant well, Dr. Singh means well, and so many other leaders in Delhi mean well, then who is left who does not mean well? You will say it is the system, but the system is made up of people like these.
If you don't respect others, others don't respect you- it is as simple as that. Do you think ABV had some ethnic hatred towards the Assamese people when he used the term "disloyal", if he used that term at all? There were twenty odd other states about whom he could use the term but he didn't have to. When will you start looking at the world without the bias and hatred towards other Indians? Whether Assam is independent, autonomous, or stays as a state in India, Assam will have to learn to live with India.
Dilip
Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Anjan:
I know about Saikia, even though I don't know him or what he is all about.
At any event that is beside the point.It is not WHAT an individual politician thinks of Assam or views the NE's angst as. I won't have any trouble believing that ABV means well. But that means NOTHING. It has nothing to do with individual Indians' view of Assam or Nagaland or Mizoram, or the Bodos or the Karbis.What DOES matter however, is what, as a nation that is known as India,has COLLECTIVELY done to our peoples, and will CONTINUE to do.It is about positive change. It is about believing in democracy in all its manyuncomfortable 'avatars', it is in believing in the need for making the institutions of democracy WORK, it is about devolution of powers to the people, it is about learning to accept dissent, it is about RESPECTING everyone, regardless of their economic status, it is about RESPECTING people and their cultures, even if they are NOT something you grew up with, it is about LETTING PEOPLEs BE as agreed to in a FEDERAL democratic state as promised, at time of independence, It is ALL about all of the above and more, that the Indian state has failed to live up to.So I find the anecdotes of individuals' goodwill towards the people of Assam or the other contiguous states, as PROOF of Indian goodness and the NE's "disloyalty" ( as ABV told Bhuban Barooah kokaideu in London) patently ridiculous.cc
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan Mahanta
To: Dilip/Dil Deka ; ASSAMNETCOLORADO
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Car Rally from Guwahati Is Not for Fun Alone
>It looks like Guwahati and Assam were on Vajpayee's mind even when he was >travelling abroad and NDA govt. was serious about opening the land route to the >east through Assam.
Tonight I am going to rejoice at Assam's being in the forefront of Vajpayee's mind, EVEN while traveling abroad. And lecture all those who complain of being in the receiving end of 'step-motherly' treatment by the Center and their 'khai-paat-folaa' attitudes.
Come on Dilip :-) :-) :-) :-)!
At 3:31 PM -0700 9/30/04, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
From TOI.
It looks like Guwahati and Assam were on Vajpayee's mind even when he was travelling abroad and NDA govt. was serious about opening the land route to the east through Assam.
Dilip
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ASEAN for Guwahati to Indonesia car rally
ANI[ THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 30, 2004 01:48:53 PM ]
GUWAHATI/ NEW DELHI: The Ministry of External Affairs (MEA), the Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) and the ASEAN Secretariat (Indonesia) are jointly organising a car rally from November 22 to December 11 to promote trade between the ten ASEAN nations.
The car rally is being held to demonstrate that there exists a land route between the member countries to enable free flow of trade. This would be first car rally of its kind.
Titled "Chalo ASEAN", the car rally would be flagged from Guwahati and pass through Myanmar, Thailand, Laos PDR, Vietnam, Cambodia, Malaysia, and Singapore, before concluding in Indonesia.
The beginning of the rally from Guwahati would be actually a culmination of mini car rallies from across the north-eastern states to be flagged off by the chief ministers of the 'seven sisters'.
The ral! ly would also fulfil former prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee's wish for such an event to take place to foster regional unity.
On October 8 last year, Vajpayee, while attending ASEAN Summit in Bali had said, "To draw dramatic attention to our geographical proximity we could consider the idea of an India-ASEAN Car Rally. A possible routing could be from Guwahati in North-east India, through Myanmar, Thailand and Cambodia to Hanoi in Vietnam."
"Such a rally would draw in commercial interest in infrastructure along the route. It can promote tourism and development. There could be a long term impact on the economic co-operation in the region," Vajpayee had said.
Giving details of the rally in New Delhi, Resident Commissioner at the Assam Bhawan, Rajiv Yadav, said, "One of the purposes of the car rally is to let the public know that there exists a land route between the ASEAN nations. Till now it was a hidden fact from the general p! ublic's knowledge."
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