Could it also not be osmosis from the Arabic/Persian entry into East Bengal much earlier than the Mughals. For example, Shah Jalal came to Sylhet - which really is almost next door to Shillong - about the 13th century.
--- Rajen Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks. > I am sure these words such as Chandi Chowk etc came > through the Moghols from Persian language. > Chowk here may mean the same 'bazar' as the > Persian/Arabic word. > I found that in Kuwait, all the bazars are called a > SUK. or may be CHOWK. Thiis may be true also in > Saudi Arabia and other Middle East countries. I > think the Jorhat Sok Bazar or Chowk Bazar may be a > Persian/Arabic origin. > After all 'bazar' is a Persian word. > > One may ask how Assamese got so many Persian/Arabic > wrods. > One answer is that, the Moghols attacked Assam for > 17 times. Everytime, certain number of Moghol > solders remained, setteled in Assam and became > Assamese. However in the process they carried some > Persian/Arabic wrods to the Assamese language. If we > say, 5 words for every Assam-Moghol war, we should > have at least 70 Arabic/Persian words in our > language.Then again we got many Persian/Arabic words > during the British rule. The Ahoms emigrated many > Moghol skilled labourers (mistries) to build temples > and palaces. Abdul Mailk wrote a book on such words > in Assamese language, However in my opinion, the > book did not go far enough. > I was surprised to find Assamese words like 'sotur' > (intelligent) 'jol' (speed) (tumi joldi aha) etc to > be Persian/Arabic origin. > I think this is a good subject for someone to > investigate and write a new book. > Barua > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ram Sarangapani > To: Barua25 > Cc: muktikam phukan ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; > assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Assam] Re: ref: my introduction > > > Barua: > > The word 'suk' may not be there in Hindi. But the > common word 'Chowk' like 'Chandini Chowk' or in > Lucknow they have many places ending with 'Chowk'. > > As far as I know the word 'Chowk' mean a 4-way > crossing, where usually a 'hat' or a bozaar sits. > > So the word Chowk seems to the closest to the one > we are looking for Suk. > > --Ram > > > On 8/19/05, Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks. I was also looking at my Hindi > dictionary where I did not find the word pul. But it > is there in Bengali. I did not know that in Hindi > they use the wrod though. What about the Assamese > word hat (bazar).? It is a very typical word in > Assamese. (Jorhat, Borhat, etc). Do they use it in > Hindi. I see it in Bengali dictionary?. > Rajen Barua > ----- Original Message ----- > From: muktikam phukan > To: Barua25 ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; > assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 1:15 AM > Subject: Re: [Assam] Re: ref: my introduction > > > Thats really interesting! But one thing > confused me. > > "The word pul is not there in Hindi but in > Bengali." > > All my Hindi speaking friends and even people > giving road directions when u enquire about > locations in North India call the bridge "PUL". So, > I've consulted the hindi dictionary. And infact the > word "PUL" for bridge is not there. The correct word > is "Setu". Maybe they use the arabic (urdu) word > "pul" colloquially. Interesting. > Muktikam Phukan > > > > Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jokai is also called jakoi, is not it? I > think it is good Assamese word. I wonder if the word > is in other Indian languages. > That brings us to the question of the other > word; SUK. Jokai-suk, Doha-Bora Suk, Hazarika Suk > etc. > The word suk, I could not find in Hindi or > Bengali but only in Assamese. The Arabic has a > similar word suk meaning bazar . I am not sure if > the Assamese suk came from the Arabic direct. In > Jorhat we have a market called Sok Bazar. This Sok I > think is same as Arabic Suk meaning Bazar. Although > in Assamese the meaning of the word suk written as > 'corner', I find it hard to believe that Jokai Suk, > Doha Bora Suk really mean 'corner'. At one time > these words might have meant 'bazar' or 'hat'. It is > possible that the Arabic Suk has connection to the > Assamese suk. Another such interesting Assamese word > is the word pul (bridge). ( Xi pulot bohi ase). Th! > e word pul is not there in Hindi but in Bengali. > Also it is in Persian. In Assamese there many such > words of Arabic origin which are not found in other > Indian languages. Incidently all the following > Assamese words are of Arabic origin, These are > probably in many other Indian languages: nogod, > joma, khoros, khobor, kagoj, kolom, kitab, mosgul, > hajir, ohmok, hakim, rokom, dewai, masul, khotom, > julum, khali, khalas, malik, sotur, tarikh, son > (year), nojor, harami etc > Interesting!! > Rajen Barua. > . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:45 PM > Subject: RE: [Assam] Re: ref: my > introduction > > > I want to add something in this > regard ... > > 'Jokai' is a familiar name in > Assam. If you go through the assamese newspapers > regularly you will > come across many places called > 'Jokai' situated in different parts of Assam. > I personally know a place called > 'Jokai' ( including a village and a big reserve > forest called 'Jokai reserve forest' ), which is > around 10 Km away from Dibrugarh > towards Burhidihing river. > > Every one must be knowing the > company called 'Jokai India Limited' . > > > C.R.Baruah > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf > Of Chan Mahanta > Sent: 19 August 2005 08:05 > To: utpal borpujari; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Assam] Re: ref: my introduction > > > Welcome Utpal. Our paths crossed before. > I am sure you remember. Congrats. again on your fine > efforts. > > > > > Thanks for correcting me. I had a vague > idea that there indeed is a place called Jokaisuk, > but was never clear on where it stood. Turns out it > is less than ten miles from my birth-'muluk' :-). > But like Ram suggests, it can become a generic but > quintessentially kharkhowa, obscure and humble > locale, that many of us can claim our roots to. In > that it is a band of honor that we proudly wear. > > > > > Best, > > > c-da > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ===> _______________________________________________ > Assam mailing list > Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu > http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam > > Mailing list FAQ: > http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html > To unsubscribe or change options: > http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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