Ok I am posting at the top because this thread is so long. The deal with the SF site is that the development of ASSP is very fast moving and to try and update the packages as quickly as they appear is problematic. I have also had the experience of releasing a new "stable" version to SF only to have a change made to that code base the day after without a version number change.
Do to deal with these issues I have decided that the best course of action would be to wait for a community established "stable" designation on a particular version before posting it on SF. That way I am not constantly bugging Fritz about which version I am posting and when, and he is free to develop in the manner he sees fit. I am open to labelling the SF released packages with a added designation to differentiate them from the developer direct releases if enough people think it would be beneficial. Now as far as the projects main SF web page goes. I believe AJ designed it origionally and yes, I am responsible for the "bad marketing" boilerplate language and agree that it is outdated and needs updatated if anyone has changes that would like to see please feel free to email them to me. I don't have admin rights to the project on SF so I can't grant others access to change the site but I can make changes if needed. Ged -----Original Message----- From: William L. Thomson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:48 PM To: assp-user <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Assp-user] ASSP 1.3.3.10 Support Micheal, Thank you very much for detailed overview of the situation. I wish I could say I knew about it all. But frankly don't have the time to follow all details. So very much appreciated :) On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 23:24 -0400, Micheal Espinola Jr wrote: > William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Just sucks to have multiple roofs for one project. > > My take on the situation (anyone feel free to correct me where I am > mistaken): > > The wiki (which I administer) is post-development documentation by a few > of us users from which the developers [unfortunately] do not contribute > to. We document what we learn and understand. The wiki/forum domain > (asspsmtp.org), also hosts the griplist (griplist code is maintained by > Kevin aka Geniusfreak). Ok so community run Wiki. Par for the course and quite common with Wiki's. The Gentoo Wiki is not official or developer maintained. I have never contributed to it, but did borrow from it some ;) Past devs that contributed, so not biting off users :) > The SF site has custodial access by at least 3 people (Geniusfreak is > one I believe), although I don't know who is acting as its current > official custodian. Some people can upload code, and some can alter the > ASSP/SF homepage - of which there was a recent complain about the > apparent boilerplate version description that did not get properly > updated to coincide with a proper description of 1.3.3.10's "bug fix" > release. Ok > The project, prior to Fritz's revitalization after it was > abandoned by the original author because of personal issues, was a > functioning SF Yes I was around both in the development days, then the stale days. I was happy to see Fritz/anyone come along and move things forward. Although the pace might be a bit rapid from a QA point of view ;) But I guess par for the course to an extent. With fighting the war on spam :( Who enjoys captchas. > Fritz doesn't want to contribute to it, and > thats his prerogative as developer to develop how he feels fit to. Sure any FOSS developer does pretty much what they want. Scratching their itches. Again par, so nothing new there. > But > the people that continue to maintain the SF site do not publish the same > versions at the same time as Fritz until they have had a longer > established time line/milestone as being "stable". Plus, there are and > have been so many updates and tweaks that occur to the code (some > occurring without official version changes), that its too time consuming > to even attempt to keep something as up-to-date, as what Fritz releases > to his own private site. Well I like that approach then. Although maybe there should be some consideration on the names. Like Fritz labeling his version, and then document the relationship. Not in depth, but just so people understand the above. Fritz is like most developers. I rip my own stuff apart all the time. Which is why some of it I have never released as FOSS yet. I plan to if I ever quit destroying and introducing new bugs. It happens when moving things forward. At times due to other work and juggling. I am not even moving things forward rapidly and still have issues. I don't want people mad at me, or hating me. Thus I have not release my stuff yet :) Plus it might be crap code, and review I care less about atm. Nor do I need security issues exploited till I can resolve. So I understand Fritz's position. But should be some middle ground. Although it really seems more like differences of opinion on stability. Which I hate to say it as a developer myself. Users can be better judges of stability than developers. They tend to run more scenarios, and don't know how things work. Usually don't use them as intended, or make various mistakes. Which can identify bugs, etc others did not find. > So, there aren't really multiple roofs here. This project is more of a > lean-to with multiple posts. Each post independently supporting the > project in their own way to keep us protected from the storm. There > have been multiple attempts to make it into a nice sheltered hut, but > people just cant seem to cooperate. Its a shame really. But we do what > we can. Really seems like one or the other should change names a bit. Not as a fork. But to identify the relationship that the two are not exactly the same. They are related, but one is more community supported. The other developer supported. Pick your evil and pace. I would ask that Fritz and others consider that. Although pretty much buried at this point. Might be best in a thread of it's own. -- William L. 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