I know how BGP and IGP work and if the ISP has policies to peer at a
certain point than peering it is, you cannot say traffic always stays on
your providers network, especially when speaking about links to the EU.
Maybe it is better that the traffic is sent to a peer for a particular
hop at a particular time (outage or overload). Blanket statements such
as sharing a common ISP means that data does not cross peering points is
simply incorrect.
If an ISP has an absolute policy to NEVER peer traffic destined for a
node on the same ISP then that is one ISP I would never deal with.
"ALMOST does not count except in horse shoes and hand grenades."
Neither of which would I ever consider basing 12,000 call a day 5million
minute/mo, multi-million dollar call center on.
Lets talk dollars and cents. Quantify the cost part of "IP connections
can be made much more fault tolerant than TDM connections at a much
lower cost." I understand the fault tolerance (but not so much in your
no peering scenario). Cost of what? The cost of redundancy? Are you
including the costs of lost revenue, sales, an hour of downtime costing
$25k? Lets talk numbers since we both understand how the public
internet works (or doesn't for realtime apps). Neither my voice DS3 nor
my multilink 3xT1s have ever gone down and have always provided PERFECT
voice quality.
If you are pushing a product and agenda, and I am sure you are since
this is the biz list ( http://www.ics-il.com/voip.php ), then I
understand the motivations behind your posts. Otherwise I am not quite
sure. It appears that you are looking for residential and SoHo
customers. This is nowhere near the scale or class of service that I
need or represent.
I would prefer doing a point to point multilink or similar with someone
like www.thevpf.com or www.teliax.com who have POPs in the major carrier
hotels using GSM.
Thanks,
Steve Totaro
Mike Hammett wrote:
I know how the Internet works. I'm about to get my own AS for 7 sites
in the US and 2 in the EU with more to come.
If both endpoints share a common ISP, its ALMOST as good as having a
private IP link. The data does not cross peering points and your
provider is solely responsible for the quality of the traffic. Better
than that is to purchase layer 2 services available from MANY
providers. If you get your own AS, you can then peer with your VoIP
partners as well as one or more transit providers. This then provides
a failover if your private link goes down. IP connections can be made
much more fault tolerant than TDM connections at a much lower cost.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Totaro"
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Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] RE: If money is not a considerationwho
givesthebest SIP termination??
And how do you do this over the public internet? Do you control the
routers? Do they observe your QoS settings? Do they guarantee a
certain router will not have too much latency or packets will arrive
in the same order or even traverse the same path? No they dont.
"Make the network the VoIP is running over better." is pretty
difficult when you do not control the network (ie the internet) and
when data is handed off between ISPs, it becomes impossible. Do a
traceroute to just about anything and you will see that your traffic
is going over multiple routers owned by multiple companies and
tinkered with by multitudes of techs on daily basis.
As I said, TDM or point to point data links are the only way to go if
price is not an issue.
Convince me otherwise.
Thanks,
Steve Totaro
Mike Hammett wrote:
What's the point in using TDM anymore. Your problem with the
quality isn't with VoIP itself, but what it's running over. Make
the network the VoIP is running over better.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Totaro"
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To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion"
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Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] RE: If money is not a consideration who
givesthebest SIP termination??
If money was not a consideration then why would you go with SIP at
all unless it is coming over point to point data links?
Global Crossing offers SIP service but the cost is basically the
same as TDM (at least with our agreement) and comes as dedicated
bandwidth. The upside of this is no TDM equipment on our end such
as Sangoma or Digium cards and dedicated servers to translate our
DS3 (28 T1s) into SIP (a fairly large hardware investment,
although, small in the TDM world). I also assume that calls
delivered by a major carrier over dedicated lines would have
absolutely no echo issues and negligable ping times as well
(another huge plus).
Why risk SIP over the public internet if money is not a
consideration but quality is? The answer there is TDM.
That being said, if money *is* an issue but so is quality (knowing
the trade-offs, ins and outs of VoIP), who can offer origination
and termination with LNP of 1,000 toll free numbers and approx
5million minutes a month? Mostly inbound toll free for a call
center application and outbound of about 1million minutes (quickly
ramping up) of outbound LD to the US 48 for a calling card
application? We could easily see 10 million minutes in the next
six months or so.
On top of that, who if anyone can offer a co-lo in the DC metro
area (other areas considered) to keep latency down?
If anyone can do that, I would LOVE to talk to you.
Thanks,
Steve
jay kordic wrote:
I have multiple partners that are USA based companies and resell
USA Tier 1 networks such as Verizon/MCI, Level 3/Broadwing, Qwest
and Global Crossing. Most of these resellers have no minimum
commitment, bill by LATA/OCN and can mix and match underlying
carriers for both cost effectiveness and redundancy. Please
contact me to discuss a program that could be a great fit for you.
At least give me an opportunity.
Jay Kordic
The Horizon Group
Wholesale/Retail VOIP and TDM services
951-780-3131 (office)
951-850-0887 (mobile)
515-322-0273 (fax)
MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Alan
Frisch
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:57 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* [asterisk-biz] RE: If money is not a consideration who
gives thebest SIP termination??
Forgive me if I've had me head in the sand for too long... but
when did Bulgaria become a part of the United States?
Hello Mike,
We are a US carrier offering excellent quality A-Z termination,
servicing
successfully retail corporate and individual networks for over 6
years.
Please contact me offline to discuss in details.
Thanks and best regards,
Albena Trencheva
Nutel Communications LLC
Tel: +359 2 4900442
Mob; +359 88 843 31 97
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