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>>>>> "Jim" == Jim Van Meggelen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
    Jim> Thing is, a lot of smallers companies are running a pretty
    Jim> messy, hacked-together network, which it would not be safe to
    Jim> plug VoIP into. The switching equipment often consists of

  Well, "safe" might be the wrong statement.
  You won't get performance.

    Jim> whatever was cheapest. In these environments it ususally makes
    Jim> sense from both a cost and quality perspective to deploy the
    Jim> voice network on a completely separate LAN. The challenge,
    Jim> obviously, is in the fact that each workstation will then
    Jim> require two cable runs, which most small businesses are not
    Jim> going to want to pay for, hence the interest in re-using the
    Jim> cat3 (which has 100x the bandwidth any VoIP phone will ever
    Jim> need). Still, your point is valid in an environment where the
    Jim> network is managed properly.

  The CISCO phones nicely do CISCO CDP and will configure themselves to
a seperate VLAN. That's nice for keeping the spaghetti LAN away, yet
keeping the same wiring. Requires CISCO gear at each end, though.
  
  Honestly: fixing the spaghetti LAN seems like the right choice to me.

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