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>>>>> "John" == John Lange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
    >> The catch is that you need phones that can do VLANs: to avoid as
    >> many cable runs as possible, you need to plug the desktop PCs
    >> into the phones. Oops, back to needing the really expensive
    >> phones.

    John> What phones are you using? Granstream, Linksys, Polycom all
    John> support both VLAN (802.1Q) and Layer 3 QOS.

  I didn't know that grandstream did. Maybe I need newer firmware.
  So that removes the price argument against VLAN.

    John> Why spend more money retrofitting the CAT3 (which will still
    John> have issues) when you could spend less upgrading the CAT5 and
    John> solve not only the VoIP issues but their general LAN issues as
    John> well?

    John> What am I missing here?

  The IT department is afraid of you since you know more than them. And
if the company is too small to have an IT *department*, just a part-time
IT guy, doubly so. You are challenging his job security...

  The phone, however, is the CFO's problem, and the CFO can turn the
cat3 over to you trivially.

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]       ON HUMILITY: to err is human. To moo, bovine.           |  firewalls  [
]   Michael Richardson,    Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON    |net architect[
] [EMAIL PROTECTED]      http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/mcr/ |device driver[
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