Ok... finally was able to get back to this... We have a couple of very real world use cases for this already...
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-snell-atompub-inline-00 This is a very rough beginning. Similar in nature to draft-mehta-atom-inline-01 but allows for embedding arbitrary content types. I'm certain there's a bunch more work to do on this but it's a start On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Pablo Castro <[email protected]>wrote: > +1. We've been doing a very similar thing in OData (Astoria) for a while. > We've used as custom element (<inline>) in a custom namespace inside > <atom:link> for now because there wasn't anything standard. For example > (trimmed down version, full version here: > http://odata.netflix.com/catalog/Titles?$top=2&$expand=Cast&$filter=ReleaseYeareq > 1980): > > <entry m:etag="W/"datetime'2009-10-07T05%3A06%3A22'""> > <id>http://odata.netflix.com/catalog/Titles('13WZu')</id> > <title type="text">Metropolitan Opera: G. Puccini: Manon Lescaut</title> > <summary type="html">Conducted by James Levine, the Metropolitan Opera > presents Puccini's "Manon Lescaut." In this opera, directed by Gian Carlo > Menotti, the title character (<a href=" > http://www.netflix.com/RoleDisplay/Renata_Scotto/83647">Renata > Scotto</a>) escapes from a French convent and runs away with a poor > student, the Chevalier des Grieux (a young <a href=" > http://www.netflix.com/RoleDisplay/Pl_cido_Domingo/30005475">Placido > Domingo</a>). Manon eventually leaves des Grieux for a wealthy elderly > lover; however, her heart is torn when des Grieux catches up with > her.</summary> > <published>2009-10-07T05:06:22Z</published> > <updated>2010-05-19T18:42:18Z</updated> > <author> > <name /> > </author> > <link m:etag=""10/7/2009 5:06:22 AM"" rel="edit-media" > title="Title" href="Titles('13WZu')/$value" /> > <link rel="edit" title="Title" href="Titles('13WZu')" /> > <link rel=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/related/AudioFormats"; > type="application/atom+xml;type=feed" title="AudioFormats" > href="Titles('13WZu')/AudioFormats" /> > <link rel=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/related/Awards"; > type="application/atom+xml;type=feed" title="Awards" > href="Titles('13WZu')/Awards" /> > <link rel=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/related/Disc"; > type="application/atom+xml;type=entry" title="Disc" > href="Titles('13WZu')/Disc" /> > <link rel=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/related/Movie"; > type="application/atom+xml;type=entry" title="Movie" > href="Titles('13WZu')/Movie" /> > <link rel=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/related/Season"; > type="application/atom+xml;type=entry" title="Season" > href="Titles('13WZu')/Season" /> > <link rel=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/related/Series"; > type="application/atom+xml;type=entry" title="Series" > href="Titles('13WZu')/Series" /> > <link rel=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/related/ScreenFormats"; > type="application/atom+xml;type=feed" title="ScreenFormats" > href="Titles('13WZu')/ScreenFormats" /> > <link rel=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/related/Cast"; > type="application/atom+xml;type=feed" title="Cast" > href="Titles('13WZu')/Cast"> > <m:inline> > <feed> > <title type="text">Cast</title> > <id>http://odata.netflix.com/catalog/Titles('13WZu')/Cast</id> > <updated>2010-05-19T18:42:18Z</updated> > <link rel="self" title="Cast" href="Titles('13WZu')/Cast" /> > <entry> > <id>http://odata.netflix.com/catalog/People(83647)</id> > <title type="text">Renata Scotto</title> > <updated>2010-05-19T18:42:18Z</updated> > <author> > <name /> > </author> > <link rel="edit" title="Person" href="People(83647)" /> > <link rel=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/related/Awards"; > type="application/atom+xml;type=feed" title="Awards" > href="People(83647)/Awards" /> > <link rel=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/related/TitlesActedIn"; > type="application/atom+xml;type=feed" title="TitlesActedIn" > href="People(83647)/TitlesActedIn" /> > <link rel=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/related/TitlesDirected"; > type="application/atom+xml;type=feed" title="TitlesDirected" > href="People(83647)/TitlesDirected" /> > <category term="NetflixModel.Person" scheme=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/scheme"; /> > <content type="application/xml"> > <m:properties> > <d:Id m:type="Edm.Int32">83647</d:Id> > <d:Name>Renata Scotto</d:Name> > </m:properties> > </content> > </entry> > <entry> > <id>http://odata.netflix.com/catalog/People(30005475)</id> > <title type="text">Plácido Domingo</title> > <updated>2010-05-19T18:42:18Z</updated> > <author> > <name /> > </author> > <link rel="edit" title="Person" href="People(30005475)" /> > <link rel=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/related/Awards"; > type="application/atom+xml;type=feed" title="Awards" > href="People(30005475)/Awards" /> > <link rel=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/related/TitlesActedIn"; > type="application/atom+xml;type=feed" title="TitlesActedIn" > href="People(30005475)/TitlesActedIn" /> > <link rel=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/related/TitlesDirected"; > type="application/atom+xml;type=feed" title="TitlesDirected" > href="People(30005475)/TitlesDirected" /> > <category term="NetflixModel.Person" scheme=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/scheme"; /> > <content type="application/xml"> > <m:properties> > <d:Id m:type="Edm.Int32">30005475</d:Id> > <d:Name>Plácido Domingo</d:Name> > </m:properties> > </content> > </entry> > </feed> > </m:inline> > </link> > <link rel=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/related/Languages"; > type="application/atom+xml;type=feed" title="Languages" > href="Titles('13WZu')/Languages" /> > <link rel=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/related/Directors"; > type="application/atom+xml;type=feed" title="Directors" > href="Titles('13WZu')/Directors" /> > <link rel=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/related/Genres"; > type="application/atom+xml;type=feed" title="Genres" > href="Titles('13WZu')/Genres" /> > <category term="NetflixModel.Title" scheme=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/scheme"; /> > <content type="image/jpeg" src=" > http://cdn-4.nflximg.com/us/boxshots/large/5616554.jpg"; /> > <m:properties xmlns:m=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices/metadata"; xmlns:d=" > http://schemas.microsoft.com/ado/2007/08/dataservices";> > <d:Id>13WZu</d:Id> > <d:Synopsis>Conducted by James Levine, the Metropolitan Opera presents > Puccini's "Manon Lescaut." In this opera, directed by Gian Carlo Menotti, > the title character (<a href=" > http://www.netflix.com/RoleDisplay/Renata_Scotto/83647">Renata > Scotto</a>) escapes from a French convent and runs away with a poor > student, the Chevalier des Grieux (a young <a href=" > http://www.netflix.com/RoleDisplay/Pl_cido_Domingo/30005475">Placido > Domingo</a>). Manon eventually leaves des Grieux for a wealthy elderly > lover; however, her heart is torn when des Grieux catches up with > her.</d:Synopsis> > <d:Runtime m:type="Edm.Int32">8040</d:Runtime> > <d:AverageRating m:type="Edm.Double">3.3</d:AverageRating> > <d:ReleaseYear m:type="Edm.Int32">1980</d:ReleaseYear> > <d:Url> > http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Metropolitan_Opera_G._Puccini_Manon_Lescaut/5616554 > </d:Url> > <d:Rating>NR</d:Rating> > <d:Type>Movie</d:Type> > <d:ShortName>Metropolitan Opera: Puccini</d:ShortName> > <d:Name>Metropolitan Opera: G. Puccini: Manon Lescaut</d:Name> > <d:TinyUrl>http://movi.es/13WZu</d:TinyUrl> > <d:WebsiteUrl m:null="true"></d:WebsiteUrl> > <d:NetflixApiId>http://api.netflix.com/catalog/titles/movies/5616554 > </d:NetflixApiId> > <d:BoxArt m:type="NetflixModel.BoxArt"> > <d:SmallUrl>http://cdn-4.nflximg.com/us/boxshots/tiny/5616554.jpg > </d:SmallUrl> > <d:MediumUrl>http://cdn-4.nflximg.com/us/boxshots/small/5616554.jpg > </d:MediumUrl> > <d:LargeUrl>http://cdn-4.nflximg.com/us/boxshots/large/5616554.jpg > </d:LargeUrl> > <d:HighDefinitionUrl m:null="true"></d:HighDefinitionUrl> > </d:BoxArt> > <d:Instant m:type="NetflixModel.InstantAvailability"> > <d:Available m:type="Edm.Boolean">false</d:Available> > <d:AvailableFrom m:type="Edm.DateTime" > m:null="true"></d:AvailableFrom> > <d:AvailableTo m:type="Edm.DateTime" m:null="true"></d:AvailableTo> > <d:HighDefinitionAvailable > m:type="Edm.Boolean">false</d:HighDefinitionAvailable> > </d:Instant> > <d:Dvd m:type="NetflixModel.DeliveryFormatAvailability"> > <d:Available m:type="Edm.Boolean">false</d:Available> > <d:AvailableFrom m:type="Edm.DateTime" > m:null="true"></d:AvailableFrom> > <d:AvailableTo m:type="Edm.DateTime" m:null="true"></d:AvailableTo> > </d:Dvd> > <d:BluRay m:type="NetflixModel.DeliveryFormatAvailability"> > <d:Available m:type="Edm.Boolean">false</d:Available> > <d:AvailableFrom m:type="Edm.DateTime" > m:null="true"></d:AvailableFrom> > <d:AvailableTo m:type="Edm.DateTime" m:null="true"></d:AvailableTo> > </d:BluRay> > </m:properties> > </entry> > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of James Snell > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:50 PM > To: Nikunj Mehta > Cc: Colm Divilly; [email protected]; Atom-Syntax > Subject: Re: Atom Inlining (Was Link Extensions. Need "md5" or some kind of > hash.) > > > Non-Atom type support, I think, is definitely important. I also urge > you to consider defining the element so that it is a part of the Atom > namespace. Explosion and management of extension namespaces is going > to become a significant problem as time goes on, we need to establish > good practices for it now. > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Nikunj Mehta <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I can brush up the I-D and add the non-Atom type support, which was > contemplated but waiting for more interest to be put in. > > > > Nikunj > > On May 18, 2010, at 5:23 AM, Colm Divilly wrote: > > > >> James Snell wrote: > >>> Another change that I am contemplating making is introducing a new > >>> child element for the atom:link element that would allow it to serve > >>> the same basic purpose as the GData feedLink and entryLink elements > >>> except with greater flexibility... specifically, it would allow a > >>> representation of the linked resource to be dropped directly into the > >>> link element, e.g. > >>> > >>> <link rel="alternate" href="foo" type="text/plain"> > >>> <data type="text">this is a representation of the data</data> > >>> </link> > >>> > >>> <link rel="alternate" href="foo" type="image/jpeg"> > >>> <data type="encoded">abc...def==</data> <!-- base64 --> > >>> </link> > >>> > >>> <link rel="alternate" href="foo" type="application/atom+xml"> > >>> <data type="markup"> > >>> <feed>...</feed> > >>> </data> > >>> </link> > >>> > >>> Or something along those lines. > >>> > >>> Thoughts? > >>> > >>> > >> +1, I think this is really important, Whenever I am designing resources, > I am always finding myself having to make a choice about whether to inline > related content in the resource or include a hyper link to the related > content. Having a consistent pattern for doing this would be beneficial. > >> > >> As an aside, if this approach was possible, then one could re-imagine > the atom:content element as simply <link rel="content">...</link>. > >> > >> Nikunj Mehta has an unpublished draft of Atom Inline Extensions that > proposes the same as what you propose [1] (the last published draft > restricted the inline content types to atom resources only [2]), Nikunj > care to weigh in? > >> > >> There was some discussion about this a while back: [3] > >> > >> [1] > http://atom-ext.googlecode.com/svn-history/r9/trunk/draft-mehta-atom-inline.xml > >> [2] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mehta-atom-inline-01#section-2.1.1 > >> [3] http://www.imc.org/atom-syntax/mail-archive/threads.html#21203 > >> > > > > > > > > -- > - James Snell > http://www.snellspace.com > [email protected] > > > -- - James Snell http://www.snellspace.com [email protected]
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