Hi Yann,
Unfortunately, freenode had its drama related to ownership and operation
which impacted all its usage in a way that they will likely never
recover from. I understand some of the freenode staff started Libera.
Other open-source IRC use switched to using oftc.net . I think oftc.net
is the best option currently for IRC, though it is smaller than Libera.
I don't see Discord as a solution for real-time chat communication
because it is really a forum concept (an old idea with a new layout).
Best Regards,
Michael
On 1/26/22 12:41 PM, Yann Le Du wrote:
We could also very probably set up a relay between Discord and the ATS
users group here that would send a daily/weekly digest from Discord to
here, and maybe also reciprocally on Discord a notification that a new
email has arrived on the users group. I'm not sure about that, but
worth investigating IMO.
On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 9:30:45 PM UTC+1 Yann Le Du wrote:
Hi Michael,
Thanks for sharing what I believe is a well founded concern. I
think the easy solution is to use a bot that relays messages
between Discord and IRC :
https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge
<https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge>
I happen to be on some channels that use that solution, and it
works nicely : messages arising from such a relay are marked "bot"
but keep their pseudo, so it is really seamless. That would
perhaps solve the privacy problem (identity of users) though not
the content, but I don't think that would be a problem given we
would talk about ATS, would it ?
That means reactivating the irc channel, and then have a go for
it. Would you find that an acceptable solution ?
On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 8:59:47 PM UTC+1
mjt...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Yann,
There are many reasons to not use Discord. Centralizing all
public communication with Discord and a login session is
mainly for marketing and advertising purposes. While using
Google Groups may have a similar situation, email remains more
reliable because it is closer to a peer-to-peer architecture.
Other reasons provided elsewhere are accessibility (e.g.,
vision impaired access) which is better with email. Having
public transparency with persistent communication is best with
email. I haven't yet seen a good comprehensive list of
problems with Discord but perhaps that content may grow as
programming language communities get confronted with Discord
more (i.e., their mailing-list mode is not a solution).
One list of problems is provided at
https://sneak.berlin/20200220/discord-is-not-an-acceptable-choice-for-free-software-projects/
<https://sneak.berlin/20200220/discord-is-not-an-acceptable-choice-for-free-software-projects/>
Best Regards,
Michael
On 1/26/22 9:33 AM, Yann Le Du wrote:
Hello,
I tried the irc channel mentioned on the ATS website, but
there was nobody there.
I already mentioned the idea of creating such a channel on
Discord, with which I have excellent experience (as long as
you do not sidetrack too much on the personal side...), but
that was buried under a pile of other questions...
So would anyone else here also see a benefit in such a
discussion channel ? I personally think it would help build
the community and spread the word.
If that proposal was found to be interesting for a large
enough number of people, there would have to be a
administrator of the channel, and of course that cannot be me
except if I create an unofficial one, clearly marked as such,
and in which I would put a big disclaimer : "created by a
total noob, participate at your own risk".
Of course, having Hongwei create it is the only meaningful
option, but perhaps that would be too much of a hassle ?
Let me add that this channel could be an invite-only one,
which would thus avoid the problem of having to deal with
trolls and advertisers.
If that could be of any help :
https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/204849977-How-do-I-create-a-server
<https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/204849977-How-do-I-create-a-server>-
/Trivia/ : By the way did you know that "a type" in french,
apart from the semantics that befits ATS, also means "a guy"
? So the right translation into French of ATS is "Système de
typage avancé" where, apart from the total reversal of the
letters, you might notice the use of the word "typage"
instead of "type", otherwise the meaning would completely change.
Yann
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