Re: I feel like college is changing my friend
OK guys, it really really takes me a good time to read posts since now I actually have a job and have to look back at this time in the evening. So, I know that what I'm gonna say right now can be my deffinet ticket without return out of this place into banland, however let me start.
@dark: Paul, apostle of Jesus Christ wrote:
<blockquote> For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves. Romans 1 20 to 24 </blockquote>
Also, starting from verse 26, he wrote:
<blockquote> For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. </blockquote>.
Question: is all of this offensive to you? or to the community? We've clearly seen in verses 26 and 27 that Paul, inspired by the holy spirit, repeats twice very enfaticly the words "natural use" and "against nature". SO again I ask: does this results offensive and quite hateful? if so, then what: are you gonna ban the word of God? oh wayt! I forgot that the bible is being banned almost everywhere in this world, do to the fact that most people is turning their back against the living God.
So if I'm gonna get removed out of here permanently by constantly repeating that homosexuality goes against nature and in other words is wrong, wel: Its not me whose saying that, but God in his word. And I do not find another way of saying it, simply because Jesus himself during his 3 years of ministry always spoke the truth and his words not always were plesent to most people, but instead offended so many to the point that some of his disciples stopped following him as Jonh states in his gospel; instead offended so many that, even though one day people was shouting Hosanna and throwing palms at Jerusalem, the day of his crusifiction he was left alone.
Of course I'm not saying that we must treat people like if they wer the worst junk of this world, because that's not what God commanded us to do, like what the anti biblical westboro baptist church does. I always put them as an example because what they're doing is not right, God commanded us to preach that God loves you and me, not that he hates us.
So, back to my answer to dark, again I have stated to many times that I, as well as God, do not hate homosexual individuals, but instead hate the sin of homosexuality whitch goes against nature, (Romans chapter 1 26 27). If again, saying and preaching this disqualifies me from taking part in this community, excuse me but I am never not only gonna change my point of view, but also I am not gonna change the way of saying things. I'm just calling things as they are, so if I am a theif I cannot try to justify myself saing that I steal because I'm starving, I am a thief and that's it. Everyone of us have the potential of knowing what's good and what's bad, the difference is that those of us who one day accepted God's kingdom in our lifes are commited to avoid doing wrong and start doing what's right.
After this extensive defence, I take my time to answer trajectory's question. Se trajectory, the big problem with us humans is that always try to give an answer to absolutely every wrong thing, look at my example about the thief. In my country, for example, and in many others here in South America, we often hear things in the media like: Most yong people is getting involved into gangs because of the lack of opportunities, finding is as a way to survive and escape poverty. And, although that part is right, we hear that these guys enroll themselves in these gangs and commit multiple chrimes to feed their family, for example. So then why don't they find themselves a job if they decided to quit school, for example?
This pattern repeats over and over again: so all of a sudden a lot of "studies" come up showing that many species inhabiting this plannet are homosexual because of their genetics so the same applies to men, meaning that it is a natural cause; If we go back to the gang example, it is very common to hear in thes subdeveloped countries: poor kids, nowadays its very normal that they get into these criminal groups because they have a responsability from an early age, but what else we can do. And we start to view all these things as something normal and then try to give answers to the current problematic.
So, answering your question of: Why does God create sertain groups of people for the soul purpose of damning them to a life of condemnation (being "wrong"), and subjecting himself to the torment of their existence? OK, man, I'd like to start by saying that, no matter what the "science" tries to show us, no living creature in this plannet was created homosexual. I reppeat, not a single creature in this planet was created homosexual; or tell me, why is there male and female in all species? why not sertain groups of creatures were created as only male or only female? the simple answer is, because the creation has an order and a natural purpoce.
So deffinetly nothing was created by God like that, no matter how much studies you can show; so here's the second part of the question: why does he created all of this for the soul purpose of damning it for condemnation? and again the answer is, he didn't created everything with that purpose in mind. In afct, I'd like to tell you that you and me were created to have eternal life and not die, as we were made in God's image.
But, since God gave free will to men as well as to the angels, one day he decided to hear a fallen angel's voice and then, took of the fruit that was forbidden to him. And because of the first man's disobedience, death entered this world being passed to every one of us, as well as to any living creature. So everything got corrupted an cursed because of the first man's disobedience.
do you imagine what happens if God have allowed us to still living eternally? just think about living in today's messed up world forever, with evil people doing and un doing! so God in his eternal power and omniscience had to make things work different, giving all mankind 2 ways: one that leads him to eternal death and condemnation, the other one leading him to a plesent, eternal life. That way was opened for everybody through Jesus Christ, who not only defeated death but also was the perfect sacrifice for our sins, since he himself never sinned as stated in hebrews.
Therefore, friend, being homosexual is a choice you make, not something you are born with. This is the same as if you decide to become a killer, a thief, a worshipper of darkness, or a person whose completely not doing wickedness but instead going in the way of life and justice. 7 years ago I made the decision of becoming a christian, as I sure 7 years ago somebody made the choise of becoming a burgler. The difference between he and me, is that he decided to go twards the darkness, I decided to go twards the light and the peas with the complete satisfaction that I can rest asured that nothing's gonna happen to me, or if something indeed happens, I know he's my Lord and he's with me for the centuries until the centuries.
With these words, I end up this long post
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