darrenyeats;353090 Wrote: > What are you talking about? > I was answering your question above that's all. My answer was that I > don't hear there's something better, and although many others do most > of them are probably like me and have not listened in a controlled way, > so it doesn't mean anything. I didn't imply anything else so calm down > (that goes for you too Themis)! :)
Whoa Darren, don't worry I'm all cool with what you write and with you personally. Don't mistake my sparking keyboard (I'm in Latin America, we get excited about everything here!) with a personal attack or anything unfriendly because all I write is words against your words and not against your person. If you prefer I keep it more business-like, I can try that too, but I really think Themis doesn't deserve the mention because his posting with some very relevant (un-answered) questions shows only French elegance and no aggressive style of wording at all.... but I see your smiley too, no worry. You say you didn't imply anything, but we "continentals" (oops, business-like... where's my Dutch soberness... ;-) did read it that way because I quote your words: "This shows how much reliance can be placed on subjective, uncontrolled listening tests for either equipment or formats." So we think you implied that your example "shows" that "uncontrolled listening tests" are not reliable. That is, in fact, what you wrote. And we don't agree. My whole multi-line part with questions were about possible reasons why your test might not have been representative. Themis managed to do that in one line. > That feels really unfair. I never said use the Gypsy Kings or Iggy Pop. > In fact, it was me who suggested classical a few posts back! > Darren It was not my intention to be unfair and I think I was not: I made a little typo, that's all. It should have read (correction marked): "But I do believe that when you listen to a live performance of a classical piece, you will hear lots of HFCs so they could have recorded that too. If you only believe the results when (replaced "do" with "they" next word:) they use that, someone else will come up saying he will only believe it when they use the Gipsy Kings and another one wants to have Iggi Pop checked out." So "you->classical" like indeed you wrote before. But I did correctly write "someone else"->Gipsy Kings and "another one"->Iggy Pop so I didn't write that you came up with that??!! I actually agree that a classical piece would do too ;-) I also state that no matter what song you choose, there's always gonna be someone who will object to the choice of song or genre but that is no reason to doubt the results. But I understand that it always feels better when they do the study in your own country using music you are familiar with etc. I mean, would you have objected when they would have used a song from the Beatles? I think not. But who knows how many objections that would have generated in Japan or China, with that famous tricky Abbey Road studio and how they did sonic magic that must have influenced the test. You see? So, it's time to ask your nearest university to repeat that study with the London Philharmonic Orchestra! No joke, I would like to see that happen. cheers, Nick. -- DeVerm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54077 _______________________________________________ audiophiles mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
