Robin Bowes;409580 Wrote: > someone wrote: > >>> These blanket assertions of superiority of one source over another > >>> w/o some rigorous testing are quite invalid and boring. > > Robin Bowes wrote: > >> I agree. > >> > >> Mainly because the language used is inevitably some thing like "X > blows > >> > >> Y away", or similar. For example, in this case: > >> > >> "Audio Quality is stunning, and blows away the TP in all aspects in > my > >> opinion." > >> > >> Now, it may well be that the source in question is very good; I > don't > >> know, I've not heard it. But, we're talking about a digital source > >> here. > >> There's no way on earth that *any* digital source can "blow away" > >> another. Just like the Transporter doesn't "blow away" the SB3; sure > > >> it's better sounding, if you have a sufficiently high-calibre system > > >> that can resolve the differences, but it's not "night and day". > Hell, > >> I've got a v.old CD player (Marantz CD50SE - about 20 years old!) > and > >> yeah, both the SB3 and Transporter sound better, but the difference > is > >> > >> not massive. > >> > >> R. > > I do not agree with your statement. Digital sources make the most > > meaningful difference in quality. You can never hear what's been > lost. > > I don't disagree with that (even 11 months later). Deficiencies in > digital sources are different than, say, speakers with a "bumpy" > frequency response. They're often not immediately obvious to the > listener, sometimes only becoming apparent after a longer period of > listening. > I find the differences to be more important and obvious than speaker > differences. If you are listening for musical performance criteria > such as timing, pitch, vocal and instrumental delineation, and the > ability to focus on an individual performance out of the group, then > the difference in source (the Karik/Numerik was a source because of the > specific clock tie-in between the components) is immediate and > apparent. > > > If the source doesn't bring it out, it doesn't matter what the amp > and > > speakers do. I had a Linn Karik-Numerik a couple of years ago. I > had > > friends bring over their CD players and I would leave the room > during > > the comparison. Every time everyone in the room thought that the > > Karik-Numerik had a much more musical sound. Most of these guys were > > very skeptical and to a man and woman they were perplexed and amazed > at > > how good a digital source could sound. That was easy money. > > But that's not just a "digital source" - it's a transport and D/A. > The Karik/Numerik was a digital source because there was a special > clock master/slave tie-in between the two that specific to them only. > > > I have a Duet and I really enjoy the ease of use and versatility. > It > > doesn't sound as good as my CD player, but it's a lot easier to find > > the music I want to hear in my collection. I plan to buy a Linn DS > > player. They sound fantatic and leave you buried deep inside the > > music. The user interface from Linn is a different story, but I > have > > seen some promising things from some of the third party developers. > I > > have heard the Transporter, it has some very good qualities. It > just > > doesn't get me involved in the music. > > > > Logitech has cool products, and they have done a lot to make good > music > > available and easy to use. > > I still maintain that the difference between Duet/SB/Transporter/Karik > > digital sources when used with the same DAC (the Numerik, in your case) > > will be, at best, subtle. Sure, there may (will?) be differences but, > as > I said in my original statement, they will not be "night and day". > > R.My nights and days mean something different than maybe some others. I worry less about soundstage and speaker bumps. I am much more concerned if I can hear the way Coltrane began his entry into the piece and can I follow him through as I would at a live performance. A really good source frees up this level of information. You get the artist intention on how the piece was played in the hall or the studio from a performace perspective. Better amps and speakers can make this clearer and more interesting, but they can't bring any more information than what the source sends.
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