Phil Leigh;577776 Wrote: 
> No I'm not saying that. It's easy enough for you to try it and see. Get
> a true "24-bit" recording from somewhere and convert it to 16-bit in
> Audacity.
> 
> Do they now sound the same?
> 
> Do this with classical music with quiet passages. Rock music generally
> won't really show any differences.
> 
> 
> 
> The Stereophile article (which I haven't read) was I thought talking
> about the effective resolution of the Touch analogue output maxing out
> at 18 bits?
> That would imply the noise floor of the analogue stage wipes out the
> bottom six bits. All I'm saying is I don't think that matters very
> much. This is all about noise floor, not granularity of resolution. In
> practice no-one could get to hear the bottom 6 bits anyway, regardless
> of what is in them.
> Sure, the noise floor of the Touch is higher than that of my DAC. But
> when the music is playing, I can't hear that noise...

Phil I absolutely agree that 24 bit playback does sound better than 16
bit playback of a 24 bit file. Perhaps we have been talking at cross
purposes.

I assume that the reason why 24 bit files sound better is because there
is information beyond the 16 bits which can make a perceptible
difference. Like you i do not believe that this lies in the ability to
distinguish sounds which sit below the range in which a microphone can
pick them up. It is my assumtion that it is the ability to distinguish
between bits 16-20 or so at levels above recoding noise floor which
means that each sample is effectively more detailed. (lets call this
change sensitivity -I assume that this is what you meant by
granularity).
It is my assumtion that this ability is somewhat limited in any DAc ie
that most 24 bit DACs cannot resolve the last few bits of the message
(as opposed to the noise floor) . In this case the change sensitivity
of a 24 bit dac would be less than 24 bit.
I also assumed that the term resolution applied to that change
sensitivity  as well as to the measure of the minimum amplitude of
sound (in overall level) which could be picked up (say minimum level
sensitivity ).

So does the stereophile measurement measure the  change sensitivity or
only the minimum level sensitivity. If not is there a way of measuring
the change sensitivity? 

I had assume that the measurement meant that effectively every 24 bit
word was read by the touch as x....x0000000 whereas a transporter read
the words as x......xxxx0000
Or am I just barking up the wrong tree. 

I am not tryign to be awkward i have genuinely been confused for ages
about why 24 bit audio sounds better, what the difference is between
various dacs, and what John Atkinson's resolution measurement means.


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