adamdea;684534 Wrote: > Entirely missing the point:- > People communicate for a purpose. On an audiophile website they wish to > exchange information as to how to improve the sound of their system. > When someone reports an improvement, others ask implicitly or > explicitly whether whether the reported improvement is a real one, and > whether they would be able to experience a similar improvement > themselves; or whether the improvement may only apply to particular > systems; or whether the person reporting the improvement is likely to > be mistaken or simply unreliable > If people report in exaggerated terms improvements based on things > which are unlikely to make a difference then others are entitled to > question ( or simply ignore) their findings > > Whats so difficult to grasp about that? As for anger and rudeness- !
Since this is what this thread is all about, I'll interject. In general, I tend to come down more on the objective than the subjective. All the time, I think disagreements should be respectful and civil. Only because it leapt out at me and not directed at adamdea as an individual, I excerpt the following quote from you on another thread: "Not all recordings have information below 45Hz but some do. Some of it is muscial and some merely ambient, but there is information. Some people go as far as to say that it makes a very significant difference to the impression of reality of a recording through spatial cues; I myself use a sub with my proac tablettes (nominal frquecny range 38Hz upwards) and found that they gave a very definite improvement both to the indivual sound of certin instruments (from cellos down) and to the sense of space in the recording as a whole." Whilst the frequency numbers you mention are most certainly measurable, the rest is "listener opinion". Today, many of us would be in general agreement that a sub gives the kind of result that you talked about. But, even now, I'd guess that some people might question this, and 30 years ago.....I daresay some folks might have ridiculed you and demanded some sort of objective measurement (which is essentially impossible) to support that opinion. Again, I write this not to single out any individual but to point out that most of us---while we may or may not be entirely conscious of it---have a line where science and faith cross and that line may well differ from decade to decade (or even week to week!) and from person to person. It's nice to remember that and be gentlepersons when having even the most spirited debate. -- rgro Rg System information ------------------------ Main: PS Audio Quintet > Vortexbox > Touch (wired) via optical > Rega DAC > LFD LE IV Signature amp > VA Mozart Grands > REL Acoustics R305 sub. Home Theatre: Duet/SBR (Wired) > Pioneer VSX 919 > Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.7.1 r33751 on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 2.0. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.7.1 r9558. Duet: FW 7.7.1 r9557. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 _______________________________________________ audiophiles mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
