rgro;684596 Wrote: > Since this is what this thread is all about, I'll interject. In > general, I tend to come down more on the objective than the subjective. > All the time, I think disagreements should be respectful and civil. > > Only because it leapt out at me and not directed at adamdea as an > individual, I excerpt the following quote from you on another thread: > > "Not all recordings have information below 45Hz but some do. Some of it > is muscial and some merely ambient, but there is information. Some > people go as far as to say that it makes a very significant difference > to the impression of reality of a recording through spatial cues; I > myself use a sub with my proac tablettes (nominal frquecny range 38Hz > upwards) and found that they gave a very definite improvement both to > the indivual sound of certin instruments (from cellos down) and to the > sense of space in the recording as a whole." > > Whilst the frequency numbers you mention are most certainly measurable, > the rest is "listener opinion". Today, many of us would be in general > agreement that a sub gives the kind of result that you talked about. > But, even now, I'd guess that some people might question this, and 30 > years ago.....I daresay some folks might have ridiculed you, considered > this an "audio myth", and demanded some sort of objective measurement > (which is essentially impossible) to support that opinion. > > Again, I write this not to single out any individual but to point out > that most of us---while we may or may not be entirely conscious of > it---have a line where science and faith cross and that line may well > differ from decade to decade (or even week to week!) and from person to > person. It's nice to remember that and be gentlepersons when having > even the most spirited debate. I wrote a fairly long response to this but for some reason the browser crashed as i pressed "submit".
I'm sure that your "let's all be nice" point was well intentioned, but the example you used was very badly chosen. In the post which you quoted I was making the specifc point that it makes more sense to concentrate on areas which can objectively be shown to make an imporvment in fidelity as opposed to getting a "better" ethernet cable. It is common knowledge and has been for decades that the human hearign range goes down to 20Hz. I have no ideas why you think that in 1981 or so people did not know that, or did not realise that (for example) an large organ can make a note just over 20Hz. I have no idea why anyone would have thought that extending the bandwidth to 20Hz was a waste of time. This rather removes the force of your point: what i was suggestign was a change which any audio engineer in recent history would have seen would have at least potentially produced an audiable benefit I can't help thinking that you have confused sub-wooffers which extend frequency range to that of human hearign with super tweeters which extend it beyond human hearing. Had i extolled the virtues of the latter I would have expected eye brows to be rasied. Had I done so, you would have had a point. Now it is true that I gave examples of what i think the subjective effects were of this objectively verifiable change; but so what? Of course the point this that we listen to hifi in order to hear things. There would be no point making the change if it had no subjective effect. But that is not that same as saying that you have to make a change just becasue I say there's a subjective effect; it is not the same as thinking that we must take seriously whatever subjective effects someone reports, irrespective of whether they are unsupported by objective data or even contradict any technical understanding of the system. It seems to me that whether you point was addressed to me as an individual or not, the example you chose did not really support it. Perhaps if it did leap out at you, it still missed. -- adamdea ------------------------------------------------------------------------ adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 _______________________________________________ audiophiles mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
