iPhone wrote: 
> .
> Which is exactly why Richard Vandersteen designed his Subs the way he
> did. It is basically like adding an additional lower bass driver to any
> Speaker when used in pairs because the speakers base driver no longer
> goes all the way down as it is rolled off and crossed over where the Sub
> takes it the rest of the way to the bottom. This is why there are no
> issues or compromise like with the Line Level setting one has with
> standard add on Subs. Most add-on Line Level Subs sound great when the
> system is at lower volumes because the level has been set to accent and
> provide additional and extended bass, but as the system volume increases
> this sweet spot goes away and the Sub is overly loud and muddies up the
> overall system since it is a Line Level driven device.  
> 
> Just my thoughts, anyway Vandersteen basically took the advantages of an
> Acoustat 2+2 Speakers with their passive sub and the advantages of an
> active sub figuring out the way to use the advantages of both types
> without any of the disadvantages both happen to have.
> 
> There are many brands of great Subs out there and many different ones
> work great when paired with specific speakers having specific needs
> that those Subs fill if one is lucky enough to get the right Sub with
> the right Mains. I got tried of buying and selling Subs trying to match
> things up. The Vandersteen Subs work whether one has Planar, Ribbon,
> Electrostatics, or Dynamic Speakers. The pair of Vandersteen Subs I
> bought to use with my Apogee Acoustic ribbon speakers are the same pair
> I have with my Vandersteen 3A Signatures (the poor man's Quatro Speakers
> when paired with Vandersteen Subs).
> .

Hi iPhone!

I think your post makes a lot of sense.

I took a different route, by getting a pair of (stand-mount, to suit my
room) full-range speakers which I am comfortable with first & then
getting hold of the same manufacturer's subwoofers which unsurprisingly
are a good match for their own full-range speakers: I use a speaker
level input which has an impedance of 10KOhm & consequently has no
effect whatsoever on the power amplifier driving my 8Ohm nominal
speakers, but permits the active crossover & equalisation in the
subwoofer circuitry to make full use of their in-built 500W Class D
amplifiers to extend their LF response. It's actually quite amusing: the
(outboard) tweeters in my 2-way speakers have a transmission-line
loading, the 6" Kevlar squawker/woofer is housed in a heavily braced
bass reflex enclosure (with a flared & dimpled front facing port in a
precisely-located position - it is an integral part of the driver
housing & the whole assembly is then bolted into the cabinet as one
piece) & finally my subwoofers are opposed drivers, firing sideways, in
a sealed enclosure! But, it works for me & produces very musical sounds
in my listening room.

My tactic is to buy as much as possible of my gear second-hand which
essentially means that I could sell it for more or less as much as I
have paid for it, were I to decide to make some changes...

With regard to your closing comment that your Vandersteen 3A Signatures
are the "poor man's" Quatro speakers, I can only conclude (with regard
to the rest of your kit) that poverty is a relative concept!  :D

Btw, what vintage is your Thunderbird?

Dave  :cool:


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