> On 7 Feb 2017, at 9:46 am, Ulrich Stauss <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> “Its also clear that the GFA has little control over anything in all reality, 
> except to write documents put some polices in place and hope somebody enacts 
> them. Most everything else happens between members and the club management”
> Seriously? With that mindset, do you actually expect to get any changes to 
> the L2 Ind Op implemented? Maybe if you hope real hard…?

There are ways, mainly just don't give up.


> Those on the GFA board/exec who share this opinion need to stop wasting their 
> time and step back (as the M&D finally seems to have now) to let someone with 
> some enthusiasm and a more active approach to (change) management get on with 
> it.

Yes, having an inside support helps
>  
> “The good news is that there are clubs that are operating differently and 
> showing great results. They do not appear to be constrained or crippled by 
> the GFA as some would like to make out”
> These clubs tend to have very good leaders who can make things happen. They 
> don’t have the fatalistic attitude displayed for the world to see by the 
> posts from GFA M&D (all but the last one of which have been removed at the 
> time I write this) and the first quote above..

indeed..,,case in point



>  
> Ulrich Stauss
> 0421 151 412
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>  
> From: Aus-soaring [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
> Of Richard Frawley
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2017 08:01
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
> <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Negative Advertising and Censorship?
>  
> whats positive Mark is that it is recognised that most of the work that needs 
> to done has to be at grass roots level, nothing to do with the GFA at all.
>  
> Unfortunately it is a growing weakness in our culture is to blame the 
> government (or any upstream authority) rather than assume personal 
> responsibility.
>  
> Its also clear that the GFA has little control over anything in all reality, 
> except to write documents put some polices in place and hope somebody enacts 
> them. Most everything else happens between members and the club management
>  
> The good news is that there are clubs that are operating differently and 
> showing great results. They do not appear to be constrained or crippled by 
> the GFA as some would like to make out.
>  
> And what is also clear its that just about nobody active on this list wants 
> to do anything other than whinge. As an example, only one person offered to 
> assist with the L2 ops change….(thanks Bernard)
>  
> Your last point is what many people seem to do on this list, only its with 
> the GFA as their target.  
>  
> Lets all  please remember that the GFA is just ordinary people doing 
> thankless volunteer jobs, generally with the interest of community foremost 
> and trying to do the right thing within the constraints available. They are 
> just people. 
>  
> As a pilot and aircraft owner, I find the whole GFA experience simple, easy 
> and painless, works well for me and many, many others I know.
>  
> As I am getting a self launcher, I do want this L2 ops situation improved and 
> I will apply efforts towards that.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>> On 7 Feb 2017, at 8:03 am, Mark Newton <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>  
>> On 7 Feb 2017, at 7:34 AM, Richard Frawley <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> 
>>> snarkiness???
>>> its that what exposing some reality is called?
>>  
>> He has a job to do.
>>  
>> He’s doing the opposite of the job.
>>  
>>> 
>>> john might not be very PC and the way he expressed things could have been a 
>>> little more sensitive, 
>>  
>> “PC”?  “Sensitive”?  Turn it up, mate, nobody asked for those things.
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> but there was also a lot of reality in what he imparted.  Looks to me like 
>>> a lot of healthy discussion as one result.
>>  
>> The same “healthy discussion” that’s been going on for at least 20 years.
>>  
>> It’ll peter out into nothingness in due course, and the GFA will decline to 
>> do anything about it.
>>  
>> Then something else will spark its resumption in a year or so, and the same 
>> points will be made again.
>>  
>> This isn’t new discussion with unique insights, it’s boring, repetitive, and 
>> demoralizing to cover the same territory over and over again for decades. 
>> There is clearly appetite within the GFA membership for the outcomes that 
>> have been discussed here, but no momentum whatsoever within the hierarchy to 
>> achieve them.
>>  
>> CFIT.
>> 
>> 
>>> I don't think he deserved such punitive and heavy handedness, and trying to 
>>> gag a marketing guy of all people has to be red rag to a bull.
>>> Shuttering a core social media channel does not look that clever either.
>>  
>> He’s a volunteer, doing a job he’s supposed to enjoy.
>>  
>> If he isn’t enjoying it, or isn’t doing a good job of it, he should stop 
>> volunteering and hand it over to someone else.
>>  
>> Using his platform to berate everyone else about how hopeless they are is 
>> not acceptable behavior.
>>  
>>  
>>   - mark
>>  
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