I'm waiting fro Mike B to chime in :) come on Mike........ On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Richard Frawley <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ok, I am curious > > so a long, long time ago the GFA secured the exclusive rights to allow > their members to fly gliders. > > why should the GFA have exclusivity? > > is the below a loop hole to break that? > > Has anyone tried to exploit it? > > > > > On 7 Feb 2017, at 12:11 pm, Matthew Scutter <[email protected]> > wrote: > > That was my interpretation too, and I'm still not clear on why we made all > the foreign pilots attending the WGC in benalla join the GFA to operate > their foreign registered aircraft with their foreign licences. I appreciate > the process was streamlined but I don't see the legislative requirement > anyway. > The poms capitalized on this and are now saying - come fly the UK EGC, we > won't even make you join the BGA š > > On 7 Feb 2017 12:00 PM, "James McDowall" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> My reading of Mosp 2 (the GFA operations manual) is that membership of >> the GFA is only mandated for foreign pilots and Class A airspace >> operations. However, the GFA Operational Regulations (agreed between CASA >> and the GFA as per CAO 95.4) say: >> "3.1.1. An aircraft to which these Regulations apply must not be operated >> except by an individual who is a member of the GFA (CAO 95.4)." which >> would seem to run counter to the intent of CASR 61.1515 for why not say >> in the regulation "must be a member of the GFA". >> This question is did CASA exceed its authority to include this in the GFA >> Operational Regulations when CAO 95.4 clearly defines an alternative path >> to glider opeartions? >> BTW reading Part 61 it would seem that a private operator of glider >> maintained by a LAME and holding a PPL can legally fly the glider provided >> you do not need the benefit of the exemptions of CAO 95.4 which only seem >> to exclude slope soaring. Remember RA-Aus issues glider towing endorsements. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Mark Newton <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 7 Feb 2017, at 9:23 AM, James McDowall <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Can anyone enlighten me as to which piece of legislation says a GPL has >>> no validity in Australia? >>> >>> >>> CASR 61.145 permits flight in a glider without a glider pilot license >>> under stated conditions. >>> >>> CASR 61.1515 limits exercise of the privileges of a glider pilot license >>> to activity āconducted in accordance with ā¦ the operations manual of a >>> recreational aviation administration organisation that administers glider >>> activitiesā¦ā >>> >>> The only such organization is the GFA. >>> >>> The operations manual of the GFA requires pilots to be GFA members and >>> submit to the GFA instructional system, flying GFA-registered aircraft >>> maintained under the GFA airworthiness system. >>> >>> If a pilot is a GFA member and has submitted to the GFA instructional >>> system, flying a GFA-registered aircraft maintained under the GFA >>> airworthiness system, they donāt actually need a glider pilot license in >>> the first place. >>> >>> Thus the glider pilot license is useless in Australia. The credential >>> that CASA recognizes as authority to fly a glider in Australia is the >>> GFA-issued GPC, not the one on your Part 61 license. >>> >>> Hereās Simon Hackettās account of what it takes to get one, by the way: >>> https://simonhackett.com/2015/04/17/australian-to-usa-glider >>> -pilot-license/ >>> >>> An Australian āGLIDER PILOT LICENSEā (GPL) issued by CASA (the >>> Australian version of the FAA) is *not a license to fly gliders in >>> Australia*. >>> >>> Instead, the GPL is it seems, merely an administrative construct ... >>> that joins the dots between an international licensing system (that wants >>> to see an ICAO compliant thing called a *license)* and the Australian >>> glider flying environment administered by the GFA >>> >>> >>> - mark >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring >> >> _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring > > -- Mark Fisher Managing Director Swift Performance Equipment Unit 2, 1472 Boundary Rd Wacol 4076 Australia Ph: +61 7 3879 3005 Fax: +61 7 36076277 www.spe.com.au
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