The attached document cites the cause of the R3 crash as "The wing main spar failed in flight due to wing flutter which possibly arose from a combination of abnormally high speed, slackness in the aileron control system and the use of ailerons which were not mass balanced." The same document gives the dates of all three accidents vis: 6.01.59 Kingfisher (near Gilgandra) 8.02.59 Grunau (near Camden) 5.01.61 R3 at Narromine
Ken On 1 December 2017 at 10:19, Kenneth Caldwell <[email protected]> wrote: > The attached editorial from "AG" is likely to be more accurate than my > hearsay from several years later. Unfortunately "AG" was not published for > many months around the time of the R3 crash. > 'Ken > > > On 29 November 2017 at 23:39, Kenneth Caldwell <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> There were three fatal gliding accidents in one or two years in the early >> sixties. Besides the R3 crash which was witnessed by several pilots at >> Narromine the SCGC Kingfisher flown by Mike Taylor seems to have spun in >> near Balladoran while on a cross country flight. The only witness was, I >> understand, a stockman whos description of the accident appeared to be of a >> spin. The third accident happened when the pilot did a down wind "beat up" >> in a Grunau with the intention of landing off a stall turn. Unfortunately >> he spun in. >> >> Ken >> >> >> On 29 November 2017 at 22:28, Noel Roediger <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Ken. >>> >>> >>> >>> Longtime no see. >>> >>> >>> >>> I was at Camden late 65-early 66-as a teenager flying TK’s Foka when we >>> met. >>> >>> >>> >>> You’ve answered part of my question. >>> >>> >>> >>> I was always of the opinion Tom had spun in while outlanding but the >>> cancellation of the R3’s type certificate indicated it was prone to aileron >>> flutter. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> >>> Noel. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Aus-soaring [mailto:[email protected]] *On >>> Behalf Of *Kenneth Caldwell >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 29, 2017 9:34 PM >>> *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. >>> *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] History >>> >>> >>> >>> I have no documentary evidence and the R3 crash happened a few years >>> before I started gliding but the stories going round in those days were >>> that the aircraft disintegrated over Narromine while being flown >>> (unknowingly) above vne. >>> >>> Vne was not placarded when the aircraft changed hands so the new owners >>> decided that the vne of the BG12 would be OK. It was not. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ken >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 29 November 2017 at 20:22, Noel Roediger <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Peter. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sorry for the duff gen. It effectively removed two years of my life and >>> drifting off to sleep realised my mistake. I’d referenced it to Trevor’s >>> original offer which was made in 1967 – just as I was about to become a CPL >>> - completely forgetting the lead time from order to delivery and not >>> referring to available references. When you next view Charlie’s log book >>> can you confirm the original syndicate was Monty Cotton, Jan Coolhaas, >>> Peter Hanneman and Werner Geissler. >>> >>> >>> >>> Mike; The history of the FK3 is an enigma. My info. came directly from >>> TK. A dim memory recalls Harro Wodl flew it with success but I cannot draw >>> any real conclusion as the nett doesn’t show any real fact. You will have >>> seen that most reference CofA by LBA which you’ve previous alluded to came >>> into play? >>> >>> >>> >>> *NEW TRIVIA QUESTION.* Two R3’s were built in Australia. First by Dr. >>> Mervyn Hall at Toowoomba and the second by Arthur Powell at Canberra. Doc >>> Hall lost his life when he had a heart attack and his R3 spiralled into the >>> ground. Arthur , after a number of very successful flights sold his to a >>> Camden based syndicate. That was written off when it was crashed by Tom >>> Hanlon. Why? And why were we not advised in AG? >>> >>> >>> >>> Noel. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Aus-soaring [mailto:[email protected] >>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Peter Brookman >>> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 10:03 PM >>> >>> >>> *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'; 'Ron >>> Sanders'; 'Gliding Australia Forum' >>> *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] History >>> >>> >>> >>> Some facts on GXC from present owner, taken from the log book and other >>> documentation. >>> >>> >>> >>> He hasn't got the facts right. >>> >>> >>> >>> It was built in West Germany 1969. >>> >>> >>> >>> Very first test flight in Germany 49 minutes on 27/10/1969 by H MULLER >>> >>> >>> >>> Next test flight in Narromine 2 hours 40 minutes on 24/12/1969 by W >>> GIESLER >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Noel Roediger >>> >>> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 12:01 PM >>> >>> *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' ; 'Ron >>> Sanders' ; 'Gliding Australia Forum' >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] History >>> >>> >>> >>> The first two Kestrels came to Aus.in late 67 – just in time for the >>> Nats that were held in Narromine. >>> >>> >>> >>> XC was owned by a syndicate based at Bathurst and XX was owned by Martin >>> Simons, later purchased by the WGC where it still resides but is privately >>> owned. >>> >>> >>> >>> XC was purchased by TT in 68 and he shipped him to Vrsac – Yugoslavia - >>> for the 1970 Worlds. >>> >>> >>> >>> Of note, both these aircraft had balsa cores instead of the foam we are >>> now used to. During the first winter the balsa absorbed moisture and the >>> wing surface clearly showed the balsa planks. The only real cure was to >>> store the aircraft in a warm and dry environment. >>> >>> >>> >>> After Tony sold XC to an Adelaide based syndicate disaster very nearly >>> occurred. Towards the end of winter they noticed the surface distortions >>> and proceeded to sand them out only to find the distortions re-appeared as >>> indentations as summer progressed. Fortunately the smoothing had not >>> touched the glass and a coat of primer/surfacer and further sanding >>> restored the profile. >>> >>> >>> >>> Another interesting sailplane that arrived about the same time was an >>> FK3 imported by Trevor Kyle and to be flown by John Rowe in the Nats. >>> Unfortunately it did not have sufficient documentation to permit it to be >>> flown. Later it was granted a Permit to Fly but after one suffered a >>> mid-flight structural failure VFW recalled it to Europe where it and other >>> survivors were destroyed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Noel >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Aus-soaring [mailto:[email protected] >>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Peter Brookman >>> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 10:08 AM >>> *To:* 'Ron Sanders'; 'Gliding Australia Forum'; 'Discussion of issues >>> relating to Soaring in Australia.' >>> *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] History >>> >>> >>> >>> XC now lives at Bordertown, owned by Adam Howell who purchased it from >>> me. Previous to that was owned by Paul Bart ,DDSC., was at Murray Bridge >>> (Pallamana) at one time. Tony T, owned it I guess from new in early 1970’s >>> and flew in World Comps , Italy (i think). >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter Brookman >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Noel Roediger >>> >>> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 9:23 AM >>> >>> *To:* 'Ron Sanders' ; 'Gliding Australia Forum' ; 'Discussion of issues >>> relating to Soaring in Australia.' >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] History >>> >>> >>> >>> Tony Tabart in XC >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Ron Sanders [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] >>> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 8:21 AM >>> *To:* Gliding Australia Forum; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring >>> in Australia. >>> *Subject:* [gfaforum] History >>> >>> >>> >>> Who was the first Australian to achieve a day win in world competitions? >>> >>> >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Gliding Australia Forum" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/a/gl >>> idingaustralia.org/group/gfaforum/. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: Image removed by sender.] >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring >>> >>> >> >
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