And sadly, it still won’t help much. With the advent of real time tracking using Flarm or ADSB, someone who wants to pay enough and has the time can implement their own private network and then receive real time tracking of everyone everywhere - even if the event is out of the public receivers. At the JWGC this year, we watched as time and again pilots were “steered” into the best climbs that others had had ) and left 20 minutes earlier). The result was that they could close 30+ minutes over 150km.
Ban internet use? Well, just put the high gain antenna in the fin and you’re sorted anyway. Once we have ADSB, then it’s even easier to do. The conclusion I came to is that the best solutions are: 1. A series of GP starts, with each group being scored independently - multiple 1st places each day. A number of sailing classes do this very successfully. Both fixed and AAT tasks work, but I suspect that place based scoring would be needed. However, everyone needs a score, not just the 1st 9. This is essentially what Allan suggested. 2. A time trial, with each glider starting at 2 minute intervals at a fixed start time. The current leader goes first, etc. I don’t really like the time trial option though. > On 5 Dec 2017, at 7:12 , Paul Mander <[email protected]> wrote: > > Good suggestion, Mattew. Simple and logical. But the rule would have to be > written so as to prevent someone simply pressing their event button every > four minutes... > > On 4 Dec. 2017 22:58, "Matthew Scutter" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Nothing like some poor weather to bring out the start proposals! > > I like the recent pilot event start proposals. > Background: For your logger to be IGC approved for use in competitions it > must support adding a pilot event - usually a button on the device or > similar. Quite easy on most loggers as per the requirements despite literally > no one having ever used one except in error as far as I know. > > 4 minutes prior to your desired start time, you press the button and log a > "Pilot Event" to your trace which indicates your intent to start. Then 4 > minutes later you make a start. Everyone who sees you starting is unable to > follow unless they somehow saw you logging an event and logged one at the > same time. If you stuff it up you try again. > > 4 minutes is roughly the minimum time at which you'll more or less never > catch someone of similar ability starting ahead of you. > > No balls of glass heading out on task together. > No point congregating in gaggles near the line because you can't follow other > pilots anyway. > No waiting until 5pm to make a start because you want to start just behind > some other pilot. > Now there is some element of skill in choosing a good start time again rather > than the status quo which is, in my opinion, the last pilot to start who > doesn't outland, wins. > > > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 9:56 PM, Allan Barnes <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > I feel that it is time we moved away from free starts, whether start line or > start points. I favour moving to a series of GP heats - maybe only 5 or so > pilots in each heat with a GP start asap after the last pilot in each heat > has launched. No gaggles, start games or delaying tactics. Each day the > pilots would be rotated to fly with a different set of opponents. After x > days, pilots would be split into ranked groups for the ‘finals’. Winner of > the ‘gold’ group would be the national champion. Pilots in the other groups > would compete for the first place in their group. > > > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 21:15, Noel Roediger <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Mike. > > > > Along time ago I proposed at a Narromine Pilots meeting, after nearly being > killed by a pilot playing for sheep stations at the start, there was a better > way to go. > > > > I don’t think you flew those nats. > > > > One of the major problems apparent was too many aircraft converging on one > point to start. > > > > Solution offered was to limit competitors to 2 per state in each class and > each class comp. be flown from separate sites that had the ability to launch > 14 sailplanes within a space established in their normal ops. > > > > That idea was accepted and I was elected to the sports committee which I > attended on two occasions at my own cost with no GFA subsidy to put my case. > > > > It was a waste of my time as I couldn’t overcome the egos of WW and RW. > > > > Noel. > > > > From: Aus-soaring [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt > Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 5:12 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] AAT tasking > > > > > The AAT is seen as a way of mitigating the risks of mid airs in contests. > > Now let's see: Collision risk goes up as the SQUARE of the number of > participants in any one contest. How do we reduce the total risk to find our > champions? > > Mike > > > > > > > Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation > since 1978 > www.borgeltinstruments.com > <http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/>tel: 07 4635 5784 > <tel:(07)%204635%205784> overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 > <tel:(07)%204635%205784> > mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 > P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Gliding Australia Forum" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at > https://groups.google.com/a/glidingaustralia.org/group/gfaforum/ > <https://groups.google.com/a/glidingaustralia.org/group/gfaforum/>. > -- > Allan Barnes. > 0403-948-928 <tel:0403%20948%20928> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Gliding Australia Forum" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at > https://groups.google.com/a/glidingaustralia.org/group/gfaforum/ > <https://groups.google.com/a/glidingaustralia.org/group/gfaforum/>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Gliding Australia Forum" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at > https://groups.google.com/a/glidingaustralia.org/group/gfaforum/ > <https://groups.google.com/a/glidingaustralia.org/group/gfaforum/>. > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring
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