Sean,

Thanks for that.

Will be interested to see this issue progress (I hope).

You will see on those web references about the Swiss Rescue Chopper Mob adopting the system.

I wonder if we can get info on their evaluation? I'll try.

Regards

Geoff



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----- Original Message ----- From: "jorgie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Aus-soaring] FLARM


Geoff,

I in now way indicated that we should not implement something like this.

As Mandy Temple pointed out she and Peter are on their way to France and will be flying with a FLARM fitted. When they get back I'll have a chat with them and I'll read up on the links that you and Mike have provided.

I will be attending the GFA AGM and will attend the board meetings as the SAGA delegate. I'll hopefully be able to discuss this issue at these meetings.

Regards

Sean




---- Geoff Kidd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I suggest that you go to

http://www.gliderforum.com/thread-view.asp?threadid=1780&posts=21 and have a

look at the comments of those that use it.



While it is only a tiny sample, it is very positive.



I suggest that to not implement a system because it will encourage bad

scanning habits and stop pilots looking out of the cockpit, is an incorrect

argument. We will never have a situation where all aircraft are equipped, so

a good lookout will always be essential.



On the other hand an additional warning will be invaluable ... and

lifesaving.



We have Aussies competing in Europe at the moment. I wonder what they will

say about Flarm when they get back?



Regards









----- Original Message -----

From: "jorgie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[email protected]>

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 8:17 AM

Subject: Re: Fw: [Aus-soaring] FLARM





I too want to be safe, however, I would be somewhat concerned if we just

decided to implement something like this without somebody providing some

scientific results of it's use.



The issues we may have is with the large number of new "toys" that we are

finding in the cockpits of gliders. A lot of which are taking the pilots

attention from outside of the aircraft to the inside.



In fact it's not uncommon to find some new pilots who have never know any

different and think that you "need" all of this technology to fly long

distances.



Part of the problem has got to be pilots not looking out of the cockpit,

the other part has got to be how difficult it is to see other gliders, esp

head on. The third part is simply that we can do all things at once and

sometimes you will simply never see the other aircraft in which case

something along these lines would indeed save lives.



Bernard Eckey has just ordered some new tips for his 25 which he has asked

to high intensity leds (I believe) to be fitted to see if that improves

the ability of other pilots to see his aircraft. Bernard, perhaps you

could enlighten us to exactly what you've done.



I'd be interested if somebody can point me towards some information

regarding these FLARMs.



Regards



Sean













---- Geoff Kidd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Mike







If this Flarm system or something better (and immediately available) is

not



picked up and implemented this year as the system of choice for OZ, then

the



Pilots, Owners and the umbrella organization all need to have a good hard



look at themselves.







As previously mentioned by others in this Forum, the key is that all/most



Sailplanes need to be fitted for it to be effective.







Given the reports back from Europe, the key issues for us are simply:







a    Is this the best available system?



b    Is something better on the horizon that is soon to supersede it?



c    Is Flarm the defacto standard in Europe?



d    What is the best way to implement it here?







All of the above seems to be an appropriate role for the GFA to take,



action, publicise and provide the necessary leadership in this key area.

But



a long evaluation and decision making time is not warranted and in my view



it would be a travesty if this opportunity is wasted or someone here

thinks



they should now try from somewhere near scratch to come up with a better



Aussie mousetrap.







If the Swiss Rescue Helicopters have evaluated it as being also the best

for



them, then it might even be a no-brainer for us.







Look at what the basic pilots from Europe have said on the other thread

and



all of us should make up our minds.







I wonder what other members of this Forum, more experienced than me, have

to



say on this.







Regards & thanks for your reply







Geoff



















----- Original Message -----


From: "Mike Borgelt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring inAustralia."



<[email protected]>



Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 4:08 PM



Subject: Re: Fw: [Aus-soaring] FLARM











At 01:56 PM 4/07/05 +1000, you wrote:







I have initiated and am in the midst of a thread on The Glider Forum



where



European pilots speak of Flarm in glowing terms ... both in the



Mountains



and the Flatlands.







It appears that the IGC has not banned its use and 2 pilots report good



practical results with Flarm when used in contests.







Technically, under the FAI rules it was prohibited under the rule that



prevented data interchange. This was pointed out in an article in



Aerokurier magazine. Common sense has prevailed according to John Roake's



latest column on gldingmagazine.com















Now we have what appears to be a proven and popular system that is



reasonably economical for Cost and Power.







52mA and A$1000 approximately per aircraft.







Given that mid-airs are a/the major safety issue for our sport, what

are



we waiting for?







Is it a fact that the spectrum is available or not?







Of course it is. Every wireless device attached to your PC uses it as

well



as your microwave oven.











If it is, the GFA should consider lobbying/acting to ensure that the



system is picked up for OZ and EVERY owner should be encouraged or



incentivised to install ASAP.







Given the general acknowledgement that we have a mid air problem in



gliding



you would think this would already be being done wouldn't you? Don't hold



your breath.







Mike



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