At 09:13 AM 3/04/2007, you wrote:

Hi all,

Mike said:

"Don't worry though this just the first of many scams about to be
foisted on the public in the name of "combating global warming". Like
the ban on incandescent light bulbs."

Gee 4 million hits on Google that gives credibility!

Then again........see below

"An excellent debunking of the scam "documentary": "The Great Global Warming
Swindle". This analysis shows how the film's editor and the  ... all >
speakers in the film use every trick in the book to attempt to deceive the
viewers of "Swindle" film. For example, the presentation shows how the film
used the fact that the Earth's climate has always been changing (correct) to
"prove" that humans could not now be causing global warming (incorrect)."  <

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656640542976216573&q=The+Great+Glo
bal+Warming+Swindle

There is general consensus amongst climate scientists about global climate
change, but the flat earther's are always with us.

Do you think incandescent globes don't use energy in manufacture too?

I changed to CFL lamp throughout my house 2 years ago. With all lights on I
now draw about 100w, compared to 500w+ with incandescent, an energy saving
factor of 5, so a lot of energy would need to go into manufacture to exceed
this! Not one has failed as yet, where I was replacing normal globes once a
year, each taking energy to make!

Regards

Dave L


Consensus has nothing to do with science and with a little work you can find many very reputable atmospheric scientists, geologists and others in related fields who don't believe the "consensus", such as it is. There is little doubt that the global climate is changing. It always does. What is uncertain is what causes it and whether human beings are having any measurable effect. It may not even be possible to answer that last question.

For your edification look up "Wegman Report". It's a start. You might also spend some time at www.climateaudit.org . These are the guys who broke the "hockey stick" as confirmed by Wegman. Warwick Hughes has some good links also. www.warwickhughes.com

When you get to the ice core data you'll find some very dodgy "science" indeed.

For a discussion of CFL vs incandescent read this. It is quite extensive http://www.sound.westhost.com/articles/incandescent.htm and note the author is a fan of CFL.

Mike






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