Just going back to the incandescent versus "CFL" here... - Am I wrong here,
or did nobody mention the word
"Lux" in that whole thread? Can anyone tell me the relationship between CFL
and Incandescent light bulbs versus watts equals Lux?

In other words, for power input, how much light power (Lux) do you actually
get? I also noticed a colour difference... Ironic for a colour blind lad :)

Ying tong!

On 04/04/07, Ben Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kittel, Stephen W (ETSA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  Ben Jones
> Unless system stability is an issue (which it probably isn't with a
> generator that can glaze pistons).
>
> If system stability is an issue then running alternators with slightly
> lagging power factor is preferred (about 0.9 is what they are usually
> designed for).
> http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/jan2001/ind-j09.shtml
> In 2001 there was a massive blackout in India (some 10's of Gigawatts
> from memory, ie Australian national grid size) because a too many
> generators were running at unity power factor. After the first one
> tripped, the others followed in a chain reaction, not because the load
> (in MW) was too great (at least initially) but because the system
> couldn't support the reactive power (ie PF) requirements quickly enough.
>

I was running a station sum watt ( sorry for the pun .... yeah i know no
humor ! ) smaller at only  a 15 meg setup, but power factor changes was no
great problem the simation computers did the maths for me and changed
thinks
to compensate... but only to a extent then load banks had to be dropped on
the buss to compensate.


>> bulb or elements ), this does 2 things it makes it easier for
>> the simation software and computers running the generators
>> and alternators to move the fields around leading or lagging
>> to bring up the powerfactor back to the desired point , and
>> it also actually runs the generators in a more efficent way
>> getting the most spark for your liter burnt in fuel, avoiding
>> hot spots and glasing the piston sleeves.

I in hinesight prob should have not included the bit about Glazing
pistons,
thinking about it now...  we on the mine site had a requirement to have a
spinning reserve and 3 extra generators just ticking over idle ready (
introducing the glazing problem) for a demand alarm which the dweeb
operators are ment to trip 10 mins before dropping the ball and sag mills
online, but grunt knuckle dragging miners would not trip the demand alarm
and drop both mills on line before i could get the idle gensets up to
speed
sync'd and on the buss and pull over the station, mine and town  into
complete darkness, only because the current protection on the station was
10
times more accurate than there old Rayroll Gear


>
>> And soon (ill bet my right nut on it ) power providers will
>> force a move to digital power meters on you house,
>
> Don't know where you've been the last few years Ben,

Never left the sparkie job yet .

>but that's not
> news. In South Australia (and similar for the other states, I guess) the
> move to digital meters for _many_ reasons (both technical and
> idealogical) has been in place since the mid/late 90's at least.

Sorry my comments were not clear, yes new houses in WA are ( and have been
for  a while) being fitted with digital meters,

My unclear suggestion was they will remove all existing " Disk spinners "
out if installations and replace with digital meters

> Also I don't think there have been any meter manufacturers making
> mechanical meters for the last few years.

I "think" email still produce them as a side line but are unsure ??

>
> Regards
> SWK
>

Ben


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