Anybody got a hi-res copy of a polar for Ventus 2cx and/or LS-10? I have had a brief search of the manufacturers website and haven't found either yet.
I have one for the ASG-29 though and have a reasonable data fit for it. Not too hard to do a x-country performance comparison against the others provided I have a reasonable polar to work from. > Yo Jim, > > Good point mate re: the OLC handicaps, why not adopt them? > The juniors lead the way in this one @ the JG just been. > Obviously I wasn't there, but I've been told that they > worked very well and fairly. > > Nick, have you got time to post a few comments re: JG @ > Gawler? > > > Regards, > WPP > > P.s. Would be good to re-score a MC nats on the JG > handicaps to see how the results would've changed the > finals.. > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 > 13:25:56 +0000Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] -ASG29 handicaps > > > Yeah, Brought this one up at Kingaroy multiclass when I > attempted to fly the Mighty ASW 19 against LS8's etc, > giving away 4% I recall. ASW 19 max wingloading is only > 41kg/sqm, what's the LS8? about 54? Even when you consider > only the glide angle, 4% doesn't cover the difference of > 39/1 vs 43/1. True, bruce did well at Keepit in his 19 > but he did win every day except one at Kingaroy in the > std's last year. I would put the performance at Keepit > down to Bruce, not the generous multiclass handicap of the > 19. You just can't get a fair handicap of a 30 year old > glider vs. a new one. Get rid of the handicaps. Don't try > to encourage the rest of us with older gliders to turn up > to make up the numbers with a few % here and there so you > can tell us it's a fair system. V2 better/ worse than > ASG29.......depends whose flying it. Uk system is worked > out on a standard 4 kt thermal, same system as German > system. NZ (who I believe have strong thermals or stuff > called wave) have adopted the UK handicap system and use > it in > their multiclass comp.s. The OLC handicaps (very similar > to UK) seem to work well around the world, why not adopt > them? Ok, said my bit...... Jim > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 > 18:46:15 +1030Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] -ASG29 handicaps > > > Handicaps are for mugs. > LS1 1.0 > LS4 0.94 > LS8 0.92 > LS10 0.885 > This suggests that the LS4 is 6% better than an LS1 but an > 18m flapped LS10 is only 5.5 % better than an LS4. Another > way to look at it that in a 3 hour race the LS 8 gives the > LS4 3 min 36 sec head start. What does this mean? I don't > know but handicaps and common sense don't seem to mesh in > my mind. > > Philip > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Adam Woolley > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] -ASG29 handicaps > A very safe reply there Bernard, no chance of anyone > 'biting' in the below reply.. I just love this bit re: > handicaps MultiClassLS10/18m: 0.955Ventus 2cxa: ???Ventus > 2 18m: 0.955Lak17/18m: 0.955DG808 Competition: 0.955ASG29: > 0.955 ClubClassLS10: 0.885Ventus 2cxa: 0.880Ventus > 2c/cx/18m: 0.885Lak17/18m: 0.885DG808 18m: 0.885ASG29: > 0.885Does this mean that the V2cxa has the upperhand!?! > RegardsWPP > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 > 10:41:31 +1030Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] -ASG29 handicaps > > > > > > Hello Nigel > > Im all for fairness and a level playing field but Im not > the person to talk to when it comes to handicapping. > > I suggest you refer the matter to the handicap committee. > > Kind regards > > > Bernard Eckey > FUTURE AVIATION PTY. 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