I appreciate its a tad off-topic, but... these Cub aircraft with big wheels seem to defy most of my notions of where its rational to land (and how!)...:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=6o3RK-RpJmY

Sort-of on optic again: My Stemme manual is very clear about landing wheels up into water - and into unknown-ground field landings as well - but the undercarriage - and its height - are somewhat unusual for a sailplane.

For interests' sake, here is the entire 'water ditching' section of the Stemme manual:

3.9.3.3 Emergency landing on water (ditching)
An emergency landing on water is accompanied with risks and should only be undertaken as a last option. If a ditching is unavoidable, it is recommended to land in the sailplane configuration and, due to the special design of the landing gear, with the landing gear retracted. Cabin ventilation and emergency-window must
be closed first.
Approach and landing:
• approach GLIDER CONFIGURATION
• landing gear UP
• ventilation, emerg.-window CLOSE
• final and touch-down MINIMUM SPEED
If the a/c dives after touch-down and does not rise to the surface soon and the front cockpit stays below the water surface, it is recommended to open emergency-window and ventilation to accelerate pressure balance because it could be impossible to open the canopy due to a high water pressure. If necessary, opening of the canopy can be improved by pulling the emergency canopy handle after opening the canopy locks and the
"R5ger"-hook (see section 3.2 "Canopy Jettison"):
• lateral canopy locks OPEN
• "R6ger"-hook UNLOCK
• canopy emergency handle PULL (red handle on the instrument panel)
• ventilation, emerg.-window OPEN
NOTE: Experience shows, that gliders tend to submerge at touch-down instead of sliding on the water surface. When the cockpit is pressed below the water surface, mostly only for a short moment, it is
almost impossible to open the canopy.



This is clearly a last-resort thing to do. If I don't ever have to do it in practice, that'll be soon enough, thanks.

Simon

On 29/04/2008, at 7:45 AM, DMcD wrote:



On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Ulrich Stauss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Another reason for having the wheel down in case of a water landing is that you'd generally try to land close to shore where the water might be (very) shallow with rocks and other nasties lurking under the surface. The undercarriage provides more buffer than the bits material of your choice under your backside.


That would appear to be a practical reason why it is done.

My contact has this to say:

Tests were carried out on a lake in Germany by Walter Schneider and Wolf Lemke of LS fame. They ditched an LS1 prior to the World Championships in Finland because they were worried about the lack of land out options and the proliferation of lakes.

They assumed that landing wheel up would be the preferred option, but discovered that the glider 'bounced' off the surface and dropped a wing as the fuselage entered the water because of it's shape. They tried it again with the wheel down, deliberately put the tail down first and discovered that the wheel acted as a gentle brake and controlled the whole process much better. I've seen the photographs, so they may be available on some German web site somewhere.

During the Worlds in Borlenge Sweden, when I was crewing for Andy, a couple of gliders were put into lakes and all came out okay. I'm pretty certain they landed wheel down trying to put them up the beach. The major issue with such landings is that the glider sinks VERY quickly (regardless of wheel position) and the electrics can cause problems as you'd expect. It's certainly not recommended!


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