I think that if Obama "won" the election, but someone else was appointed President, then we'd still be hearing about the riots on the news.
Cheers, Al On 5/19/09, Roger Browne <[email protected]> wrote: > > Exactly like the system used to elect the President of the United States. > (Electoral College). > > Roger > > Mike Borgelt wrote: > >> Yes Harry, a rather poor analogy. >> >> >> The GFA system analogy would be as if your vote as a citizen stopped when >> you elected your local council(club) who then sent representatives to >> become your State Parliament(State Association) who then sent >> representatives to Canberra to form Federal Parliament (GFA Board) which had >> an Executive, which had been there from before anyone could remember, which >> appointed representatives from say the Public Service, the ACTU and the >> Business Council of Australia, who together with the Executive had a >> majority in the Parliament which could out vote the appointed >> representatives. >> >> I'm sure we'd all be happy with that. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 04:03 PM 19/05/2009, you wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> The big difference is that the judiciary interpret the laws made by >>> parliament, which is democratically elected and can change the rules we live >>> by if it doesn't agree with the judiciarys interpretation, ( and has done so >>> not infrequently, particularly in regard to taxation,) subject to the >>> constitution, which also can only be changed by an overall majority vote of >>> electors and a majority of states. If we had an arrangement like that in the >>> GFA we would all be happy. >>> >>> Sorry, but really no comparision, you will have to find a better example, >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Harry Medlicott >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <mailto:[email protected]>Mark Newton >>> To: <mailto:[email protected]>Discussion of issues >>> relating to Soaring in Australia. >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] democracy and the GFA >>> >>> >>> On 28/04/2009, at 3:16 PM, harry medlicott wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> The sticking point is that the Executive and Board of Directors are not >>>> elected by the popular vote of fee paying members, but by a convoluted >>>> system involving club committees, state associations and the Board then >>>> electing an Executive who may never have faced a vote of any kind. >>>> >>>> This separation of the Executive from the general membership is pretty >>>> unique. I know of no other organisation whose compulsorily fee paying >>>> members do not have a direct vote in electing the powers-that-be. >>>> >>> >>> I know of one: The judiciary. >>> >>> In Australia, citizens vote for members of parliament, and those >>> members form an executive which directly appoints judges. >>> >>> The processes of electing MPs and of appointing judges are >>> separated. The main benefit of the separation is that the judges >>> won't be seen to have conflicts of interest when they make >>> decisions which affect citizens, because citizens have played no >>> part in the hiring/firing decision. Judges are free to draw >>> whatever conclusions they see fit, secure in the knowledge that >>> they'll never be held accountable by those affected by their >>> decisions. >>> >>> I think there are a great many exact parallels between that process >>> and GFA's governance. >>> >>> I'm not being judgmental about this. It's entirely possible that >>> the GFA (and/or GFA members) believes there is some kind >>> of overwhelming benefit stemming from a management >>> structure that's independent from the members. If so, the fact >>> that this issue has been a controversy for as long as I've been >>> gliding would seem to suggest that they've spectacularly failed >>> to communicate the attractiveness of the status quo. >>> >>> - mark >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> I tried an internal modem, <mailto: >>> [email protected]>[email protected] >>> but it hurt when I walked. 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