Folk, Having now had the oppurtunity to fly a competitive Std class glider FQF (LS8) after many years campaigning GOD (19M Jantar) in the one class you could fly (Sports Class) with any hope of a competitive result, I would ask that if there is any review underway of Sports Class handicaps that based on empirical evidence alone, the older Open/19M class gliders handicaps in that class be reviewed.
The low wing loading benefit on very weak days does not compensate for the loss incurred on the average competition day in Australia for these gliders given the way the polar drops off at normal cruising speed, especially given our current tasking approach which rarely, if ever, tests the book ends of the day when there might be some advantage for these gliders. Given LS8/18 (0.895 handicap) performance on both strong and weak days, the relative handicaps applied to the Jantar 19M (0.910), Nimbus 2 (.90) etc are a joke...........based on my personal experience. Maybe we need a class just for the older Open Class gliders...........many of then are sitting in trailers.............maybe the Vintage guys could run a comp for them, as many of them are over 30 years old now :-) Best Regards, Mike On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:49 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > Hi Ross, > I understand that the HC was reviewing handicaps, mainly to update and/or > correct anomalies resulting from incorrect original input data, new > data, manufacturer's changes to designs, and such like, rather than making > radical changes. > > In a volunteer organisation, it is not surprising that such anomalies can > and do occur, and indeed you and your Committee (and those that have gone > before you), have generally done a good job under sometimes (no doubt), > trying circumstances. > > I applaud your recent earlier request to aircraft owners to contact you, in > the case of seemingly erroneous handicaps. You, and fellow committee members > are not mind readers, after all! > > Can you/Will you/Are you now in a position, to give us a detailed update, > on all the glider types considered in the review, and the changes (if any), > that the Committee decided to instigate, as a result of the review? > > If the review still has some way to go, when do you expect the Committee's > findings and decisions to be made known? > > I do appreciate that a written report to the Australian Gliding Fraternity > may involve some/a lot of work on your part, but I think that in the past, > the reasons for some (no doubt necessary), changes have not been explained - > either adequately, or at all, and led in some quarters, to ongoing > resentment to seemingly biased decisions, by the Committee. {Is it possible > that Nigel is possibly suggesting this - tongue in cheek of course! > .....Gasp!} > > In this day and age transparency is everything. > > I await your response with interest. > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Ross McLean <[email protected]> > *To:* 'tom claffey' <[email protected]> ; 'Discussion of issues relating to > Soaring in Australia.' <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 17, 2011 6:45 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 95, Issue 49 > > Hi Tom**** > > You are correct and no it hasn’t changed. The Handicap committee members > have currently:**** > > **· **One JS1 – previously LS8, ASW 22, Ventus 2CX, ASW 19b. In > all of which he has won National Competitions. Just won the 18m pre-Worlds > in an ASG29. (I think it is the pilot not the a/c)**** > > **· **One ASG29 - previously an ASW20 and a long history before > that**** > > **· **One LS4**** > > **· **And one member has a fleet of 11 aircraft including Discus, > Discus 2, Ventus b 16.6, Duo Discus and Nimbus 4DM**** > > I think there is enough cross manufacturer experience in that committee to > be able to produce a well balanced and knowledgable result.**** > > Cheers, ROSS**** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *tom claffey > *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 August 2011 1:45 PM > *To:* [email protected]; Discussion of issues relating to > Soaring in Australia. > *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 95, Issue 49**** > > ** ** > > Really? I thought the handicap committee had an LS4, a JS1 and an ASG29, > has it changed?**** > > Tom**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Nigel Andrews <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 August 2011 1:32 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 95, Issue 49 > > What, no comment on adjusting the handicap to make it worthwhile for those > who don't have an ASG29 or JS1 to come to a comp and compete in their > Ventus's? I am sure the ASG29 owners would expect the same when the next > generation of 18 metre overtake them. Funny thing is the handicap committee > has two ASG owners. Leave it as it is and just have the same guys trying to > beat each other. > > Nigel Andrews > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > **** > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >
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