JUST FLY FASTER ! From: [email protected] To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:16:48 +1000 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps
Hi Mike and All, If you really want to buy one, I have HDY (15/16.6m configurations), with many extras ready to go, with a fresh Form 2, at around $60,000! Google Mike Maddock's site at Maddog Composites, and check out "Trading Post" for basic details and a photo. If this appeals, either email me or give me a call on 03 5352 4938. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Durrant To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring inAustralia. Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps Give me the ASW20 any day :-) Best Regards, Mike Durrant VH-FQF On 18/08/2011, at 11:26 AM, "Ross McLean" <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Robert I note that the Nimbus 2 has a handicap equivalent to an ASW20. The Nimbus 4DM has the same handicap as an ASG29. ROSS From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Hart Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 7:46 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps On 17/08/11 21:14, Michael Durrant wrote: Folk, Having now had the oppurtunity to fly a competitive Std class glider FQF (LS8) after many years campaigning GOD (19M Jantar) in the one class you could fly (Sports Class) with any hope of a competitive result, I would ask that if there is any review underway of Sports Class handicaps that based on empirical evidence alone, the older Open/19M class gliders handicaps in that class be reviewed. The low wing loading benefit on very weak days does not compensate for the loss incurred on the average competition day in Australia for these gliders given the way the polar drops off at normal cruising speed, especially given our current tasking approach which rarely, if ever, tests the book ends of the day when there might be some advantage for these gliders. Given LS8/18 (0.895 handicap) performance on both strong and weak days, the relative handicaps applied to the Jantar 19M (0.910), Nimbus 2 (.90) etc are a joke...........based on my personal experience. As a pilot of such a 30 year old open class glider, I would say that my experience of the handicapping across the board (ballasted and unballasted) for older gliders needs review. As I understand it, the handicaps are related almost exclusively to wing loading. Whilst this may well be a reasonable idea when the aerodynamics of the wings are very similar, this is not so when we are talking about intergenerational changes in aerodynamics. Even a passing perusal of the polars of recent gliders shows very significant performance gains of gliders from the 1980s, which have significant performance gains over the early glass ships such as the Nimbus 2. If the aim of handicapping is to try to create a more level playing field to allow the skill of the pilot to shine through, then this issue needs to be addressed. If that is not the aim of the handicapping system could someone please explain why we have a handicapping system at all? -- Robert Hart [email protected]+61 (0)438 385 533 http://www.hart.wattle.id.au _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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