Hello Terry, Thanks for your e-mail of kind words, plus encouragement. I'm certainly keen to hear the floors words, after the original thread has been somewhat hijacked! I had thought to go back and pluck out the records of the club class times, but assumed that they all carried water and therefore nullified what I want these records to be. Thanks to all the e-mails off-list, I think we could be onto something here - it'll certainly give myself something to push for. Stay tuned for some small rule changes, hopefully soon I'll find a good spot to place the current copy.
Some things to add or to mention/re-enforce again though (will re-write properly, but I'm sure you get the idea). 1/ It's for club class records, so NO water what so ever. The only additional weight that is allowed in the glider is for trimming purposes. 2/ Must be an *.igc approved logger (I hear people cheat their way to obtain Silver C's, crazy I know!) 3/ The flight must be declared before the task is commenced, NOT after the good flight occured. 4/ An instructor or an Official Observer, must observe/sign/put their name to your flight to say - he/she knew the rules, etc Sadly the records have to start at some point/day, why not just start them from now!? Also, open to thoughts and discussions on the gliders that can be allowed into our club class records. ie, a Kestral 17/19 pilot for instance isn't able to be competitive in any class, except sports. So I'm thinking of opening it up from the Zephrys (spelling - 1.60 handicap for memory!) to the Kestral 17/19 Nimbus 2??? Remember, even these gliders must fly dry to claim the record. The floors open! WPP > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:19:50 +0930 > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial > > But of course the weather was always better 7 and 10 and 30 years ago - > that's my memory anyway! > > I like your suggestion Adam. Surely we still have records of previous > records, and can just look for the best performance from current club class > gliders and use those as the benchmark, -multiplied by the handicap of > course? Unfortunately, the Boomerang doesn't meet current club class > performance range, but we could just agree a handicap and apply this to see > how they went? > > Of course, older flights in a standard cirrus (I can think of one good one) > were done with water ballast which makes a bit (?) of a difference. Some of > the really 'good' flights were not official records - no declaration, no > camera, no ...? so probably don't count - but still excellent flights and > something to aspire to. > > Maybe we should degrade some of those old flights? I mean, the weather was > just better so a lot easier??? > > Worth some more thought and a proposal > > Terry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 1:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial > > > > WPP, > > "I think the weather cycle goes in 7 yr increments." Now that is a very > > brave statement indeed! > > > > Memory is a fallible thing, but I seem to recall (from many -30/40? -years > > ago), that the Dutch had to hand at that time, over 400 years worth of > > continuous weather records. This data (exactly what was available was not > > stated), was analysed for cyclic pattens. The result - NO PATTEN AT ALL > > COULD BE DEDUCED. > > Does anyone know about this or similar work, and can comment further? > > > > Gary > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Adam Woolley" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:50 PM > > Subject: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial > > > > > >> G'day All, > >> > >> I've been keen to set up some unofficial club class records since getting > >> my Cirrus. Hope you see the concept/idea as I've seen it. The reason > >> behind it, > >> > >> As per '3.2' - All in good fun, to give those who can't go for official > >> records due to financial reasons (eg, not being able to obtain a Discus > >> 2, to go for a STD class record) or not being their preferred class. > >> > >> In 1999, Tom Claffey & others experienced some amazing weather conditions > >> in AUS. I think that the weather cycle goes in 7yr increments. Now > >> approaching 14yrs later, I think we could be in for a good season - cross > >> your fingers, I & many others would love a regular great season for a > >> change!!! > >> > >> All comments & potential additions on the below welcome. > >> > >> > >> SeeYou, > >> WPP > >> www.facebook.com/W3Racing > >> > >> > >> > >> Unofficial Australian Club Club Class Records - Rules V1.0 > >> Concept by Adam Woolley > >> Written by Adam Woolley > >> > >> > >> 1 - Philosophy: To provide a friendly and honest unofficial record > >> list/rules for Australian pilots, whom race/fly in Australian airspace, > >> in the gliders on the Australian Club Class Handicap list provided on the > >> GFA website. > >> > >> 2 - RULES: Use the Australian Junior Record Rules (found on > >> www.joeyglide.com.au & www.ajgc.org.au websites) if you want to go > >> 'official official', as kindly put together by Andrew Maddocks. The > >> below are amendments & simple reminders, in no particular order & are > >> generally based on the KISS principle, with safety in mind! > >> > >> If you don't want to read the rules, & if your an honest person - the > >> below will suffice. > >> > >> > >> 2.1 - Entries Open: 18 JUL 2012. > >> > >> 2.2 - Eligable Gliders: Club Class Gliders, as found on the current years > >> GFA Club Class Handicap list. > >> > >> 2.3 - Handicaps: the use of the current GFA Club Class Handicap list will > >> be used for the flight (date) submitted. > >> > >> 2.4 - Reference Weight: the use of the current reference weight as > >> provided by the GFA club class handicap list for the (date) submitted. > >> > >> 2.5 - After Market Modifications: No penalty will be given for the > >> addition of winglets, wing fillets or extractor vents. > >> > >> 2.6 - Handicap Adjustments: 0.005 disadvantage per part there of 12kg > >> over REFERENCE WEIGHT. No performance advantage given for gliders that > >> fly below REFERENCE WEIGHT. > >> > >> 2.7 - Start Rule: 1km radius over pre-declared waypoint. > >> > >> 2.8 - Turnpoint(s): 500m radius. > >> > >> 2.9 - Finish: 3km radius from the pre-declared waypoint. > >> > >> 2.10 - Record submission: E-Mail your details appropriate for the flight > >> (Start & Finish Point, Turnpoints (if not a free distance or height gain) > >> inc waypoint details, glider type, approximate weight (or accurate if > >> known)), & *.igc file to, [email protected] within 48hrs of 'end of > >> roll'. > >> > >> 2.11 - Start/Finish Heights: You must finish at the predetermined finish > >> point, within a 1000m of your start height & predetermined start point. > >> For 'free distance' one way flights, you must start (predetermined point) > >> below 1000m AGL & land safely at any point. > >> > >> 2.12 - Records: Each record will stay firm until beaten by the current > >> years GFA handicap for the club class glider used. ie, won't be changed > >> each season if the glider handicap or reference weights change. > >> > >> 2.13 - Declarations: A flight must be declared before going through the > >> start circle, unless it's a Free Distance flight. > >> > >> > >> 3 - GENERAL > >> > >> 3.1 - Remember, unofficial. If you cheat intentially or not being honest, > >> you're only ripping your fellow mates off. > >> > >> 3.2 - All in good fun, to give those who can't go for official records > >> due to financial reasons (eg, not being able to obtain a Discus 2, to go > >> for a STD class record) or not being their preferred class. > >> > >> 3.3 - If the GFA thinks its a good idea, more than happy for the rules to > >> be re-written officially. Though I would like to think that they'll > >> accept the unofficial records, even of they have an unofficial column > >> until the record is beaten officially - to reward the efforts that we've > >> previously gone too! > >> > >> 3.4 - I know there's lots of holes in the above. Use your noggin for what > >> you think is right and fair! > >> > >> 3.5 - It's just a game, have fun! > >> > >> > >> 4 - Records obtainable > >> > >> 4.1 - An excel spreadsheet available on request, until I find a place to > >> upload it to the web. > >> > >> 4.2 - Free Distance > >> Free Distance > >> Free Out & Retun Distance > >> Free Three Turnpoint Distance > >> > >> 4.3 - Distance to Goal > >> Straight Distance to Goal > >> Three Turnpoint Distance > >> Out & Return Distance > >> FAI Triangle Distance > >> > >> 4.4 - Speed > >> Speed Out & Return: 100km > >> Speed Out & Return: 300km > >> Speed Out & Return: 500km > >> Speed Out & Return: 750km > >> Speed Out & Return: 1000km > >> Speed FAI Triangle: 100km > >> Speed FAI Triangle: 300km > >> Speed FAI Triangle: 500km > >> Speed FAI Triangle: 750km > >> Speed FAI Triangle: 1000km > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Aus-soaring mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> To check or change subscription details, visit: > >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> No virus found in this message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5138 - Release Date: 07/17/12 > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aus-soaring mailing list > > [email protected] > > To check or change subscription details, visit: > > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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