Nice idea Woolley, I look forward to sending a few flights along. A couple of thoughts though:
Why not allow water ballast so we can compare against the historical records? The obvious problem is the Aus club class handicaps aren't useful, but other countries (DMSt?) have ballasted 'club class' handicaps. >All in good fun, to give those who can't go for official records due to >financial reasons (eg, not being able to obtain a Discus 2, to go for a STD >class record) or not being their preferred class. >2.5 - After Market Modifications: No penalty will be given for the addition of >winglets, wing fillets or extractor vents. Surely no penalty for aftermarket mods compromises the stated goals here. Not everyone is able to obtain Discus 2 winglets for their Cirrus ;) -Matthew On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Adam Woolley <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Terry, > > Thanks for your e-mail of kind words, plus encouragement. I'm certainly > keen to hear the floors words, after the original thread has been somewhat > hijacked! I had thought to go back and pluck out the records of the club > class times, but assumed that they all carried water and therefore nullified > what I want these records to be. Thanks to all the e-mails off-list, I > think we could be onto something here - it'll certainly give myself > something to push for. Stay tuned for some small rule changes, hopefully > soon I'll find a good spot to place the current copy. > > Some things to add or to mention/re-enforce again though (will re-write > properly, but I'm sure you get the idea). > > 1/ It's for club class records, so NO water what so ever. The only > additional weight that is allowed in the glider is for trimming purposes. > 2/ Must be an *.igc approved logger (I hear people cheat their way to obtain > Silver C's, crazy I know!) > 3/ The flight must be declared before the task is commenced, NOT after the > good flight occured. > 4/ An instructor or an Official Observer, must observe/sign/put their name > to your flight to say - he/she knew the rules, etc > > Sadly the records have to start at some point/day, why not just start them > from now!? > > Also, open to thoughts and discussions on the gliders that can be allowed > into our club class records. ie, a Kestral 17/19 pilot for instance isn't > able to be competitive in any class, except sports. So I'm thinking of > opening it up from the Zephrys (spelling - 1.60 handicap for memory!) to the > Kestral 17/19 Nimbus 2??? Remember, even these gliders must fly dry to > claim the record. > > > The floors open! > WPP > > > > > > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:19:50 +0930 > >> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial >> >> But of course the weather was always better 7 and 10 and 30 years ago - >> that's my memory anyway! >> >> I like your suggestion Adam. Surely we still have records of previous >> records, and can just look for the best performance from current club >> class >> gliders and use those as the benchmark, -multiplied by the handicap of >> course? Unfortunately, the Boomerang doesn't meet current club class >> performance range, but we could just agree a handicap and apply this to >> see >> how they went? >> >> Of course, older flights in a standard cirrus (I can think of one good >> one) >> were done with water ballast which makes a bit (?) of a difference. Some >> of >> the really 'good' flights were not official records - no declaration, no >> camera, no ...? so probably don't count - but still excellent flights and >> something to aspire to. >> >> Maybe we should degrade some of those old flights? I mean, the weather was >> just better so a lot easier??? >> >> Worth some more thought and a proposal >> >> Terry >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." >> <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 1:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial >> >> >> > WPP, >> > "I think the weather cycle goes in 7 yr increments." Now that is a very >> > brave statement indeed! >> > >> > Memory is a fallible thing, but I seem to recall (from many -30/40? >> > -years >> > ago), that the Dutch had to hand at that time, over 400 years worth of >> > continuous weather records. This data (exactly what was available was >> > not >> > stated), was analysed for cyclic pattens. The result - NO PATTEN AT ALL >> > COULD BE DEDUCED. >> > Does anyone know about this or similar work, and can comment further? >> > >> > Gary >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Adam Woolley" <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:50 PM >> > Subject: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial >> > >> > >> >> G'day All, >> >> >> >> I've been keen to set up some unofficial club class records since >> >> getting >> >> my Cirrus. Hope you see the concept/idea as I've seen it. The reason >> >> behind it, >> >> >> >> As per '3.2' - All in good fun, to give those who can't go for official >> >> records due to financial reasons (eg, not being able to obtain a Discus >> >> 2, to go for a STD class record) or not being their preferred class. >> >> >> >> In 1999, Tom Claffey & others experienced some amazing weather >> >> conditions >> >> in AUS. I think that the weather cycle goes in 7yr increments. Now >> >> approaching 14yrs later, I think we could be in for a good season - >> >> cross >> >> your fingers, I & many others would love a regular great season for a >> >> change!!! >> >> >> >> All comments & potential additions on the below welcome. >> >> >> >> >> >> SeeYou, >> >> WPP >> >> www.facebook.com/W3Racing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Unofficial Australian Club Club Class Records - Rules V1.0 >> >> Concept by Adam Woolley >> >> Written by Adam Woolley >> >> >> >> >> >> 1 - Philosophy: To provide a friendly and honest unofficial record >> >> list/rules for Australian pilots, whom race/fly in Australian airspace, >> >> in the gliders on the Australian Club Class Handicap list provided on >> >> the >> >> GFA website. >> >> >> >> 2 - RULES: Use the Australian Junior Record Rules (found on >> >> www.joeyglide.com.au & www.ajgc.org.au websites) if you want to go >> >> 'official official', as kindly put together by Andrew Maddocks. The >> >> below are amendments & simple reminders, in no particular order & are >> >> generally based on the KISS principle, with safety in mind! >> >> >> >> If you don't want to read the rules, & if your an honest person - the >> >> below will suffice. >> >> >> >> >> >> 2.1 - Entries Open: 18 JUL 2012. >> >> >> >> 2.2 - Eligable Gliders: Club Class Gliders, as found on the current >> >> years >> >> GFA Club Class Handicap list. >> >> >> >> 2.3 - Handicaps: the use of the current GFA Club Class Handicap list >> >> will >> >> be used for the flight (date) submitted. >> >> >> >> 2.4 - Reference Weight: the use of the current reference weight as >> >> provided by the GFA club class handicap list for the (date) submitted. >> >> >> >> 2.5 - After Market Modifications: No penalty will be given for the >> >> addition of winglets, wing fillets or extractor vents. >> >> >> >> 2.6 - Handicap Adjustments: 0.005 disadvantage per part there of 12kg >> >> over REFERENCE WEIGHT. No performance advantage given for gliders that >> >> fly below REFERENCE WEIGHT. >> >> >> >> 2.7 - Start Rule: 1km radius over pre-declared waypoint. >> >> >> >> 2.8 - Turnpoint(s): 500m radius. >> >> >> >> 2.9 - Finish: 3km radius from the pre-declared waypoint. >> >> >> >> 2.10 - Record submission: E-Mail your details appropriate for the >> >> flight >> >> (Start & Finish Point, Turnpoints (if not a free distance or height >> >> gain) >> >> inc waypoint details, glider type, approximate weight (or accurate if >> >> known)), & *.igc file to, [email protected] within 48hrs of 'end of >> >> roll'. >> >> >> >> 2.11 - Start/Finish Heights: You must finish at the predetermined >> >> finish >> >> point, within a 1000m of your start height & predetermined start point. >> >> For 'free distance' one way flights, you must start (predetermined >> >> point) >> >> below 1000m AGL & land safely at any point. >> >> >> >> 2.12 - Records: Each record will stay firm until beaten by the current >> >> years GFA handicap for the club class glider used. ie, won't be changed >> >> each season if the glider handicap or reference weights change. >> >> >> >> 2.13 - Declarations: A flight must be declared before going through the >> >> start circle, unless it's a Free Distance flight. >> >> >> >> >> >> 3 - GENERAL >> >> >> >> 3.1 - Remember, unofficial. If you cheat intentially or not being >> >> honest, >> >> you're only ripping your fellow mates off. >> >> >> >> 3.2 - All in good fun, to give those who can't go for official records >> >> due to financial reasons (eg, not being able to obtain a Discus 2, to >> >> go >> >> for a STD class record) or not being their preferred class. >> >> >> >> 3.3 - If the GFA thinks its a good idea, more than happy for the rules >> >> to >> >> be re-written officially. Though I would like to think that they'll >> >> accept the unofficial records, even of they have an unofficial column >> >> until the record is beaten officially - to reward the efforts that >> >> we've >> >> previously gone too! >> >> >> >> 3.4 - I know there's lots of holes in the above. Use your noggin for >> >> what >> >> you think is right and fair! >> >> >> >> 3.5 - It's just a game, have fun! >> >> >> >> >> >> 4 - Records obtainable >> >> >> >> 4.1 - An excel spreadsheet available on request, until I find a place >> >> to >> >> upload it to the web. >> >> >> >> 4.2 - Free Distance >> >> Free Distance >> >> Free Out & Retun Distance >> >> Free Three Turnpoint Distance >> >> >> >> 4.3 - Distance to Goal >> >> Straight Distance to Goal >> >> Three Turnpoint Distance >> >> Out & Return Distance >> >> FAI Triangle Distance >> >> >> >> 4.4 - Speed >> >> Speed Out & Return: 100km >> >> Speed Out & Return: 300km >> >> Speed Out & Return: 500km >> >> Speed Out & Return: 750km >> >> Speed Out & Return: 1000km >> >> Speed FAI Triangle: 100km >> >> Speed FAI Triangle: 300km >> >> Speed FAI Triangle: 500km >> >> Speed FAI Triangle: 750km >> >> Speed FAI Triangle: 1000km >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> No virus found in this message. >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >> Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5138 - Release Date: >> >> 07/17/12 >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Aus-soaring mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > To check or change subscription details, visit: >> > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> [email protected] >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
