Hi Niall,
Not sure you meant this to be on the list?
The B800 has a cruise/climb switch. I prefer to switch manually as
which mode you need is a function of your state of mind (am I trying
to climb or am I trying to run?), not whether the glider is at a
particular speed, in a certain flap setting, turning, in rising or
sinking air etc.
I've tried the other methods and they all have shortcomings requiring
a manual switch to handle the exceptions anyway. The manual switch
forces you to make the decision and helps prevent dithering. We don't
yet have the fiber optic cable to your brain of the infamous LS22!
(probably Bluetooth to your brain nowadays).
We do switch the audio to climb mode when you are cruising and the
lift exceeds the current MacCready setting. This alerts you to lift
that you may want to turn in. The cruise climb switch also
initialises and ends the "whole thermal average" calculation. We do
this another way in the B700 standby vario (being a simple climb
vario with no cruise mode, it has no switch) but it can be fooled
although works well most of the time.
We can do a Bluetooth connection for you too but most PNAs, phones
etc have internal GPS. This is sufficient for the airspace and task
overview moving map. The rest is better done on the B800 including
thermal centering via the audio (which has the two speaker centering
algorithm and moves the sound in the direction you need to go) and
highly visible clear display (We do the 80mm version too if you have
the space) including averager lights. These show the results of the
calculations - is my current rate of climb hurting my running
average? is it hurting my whole thermal climb?(this is the one that
determines you cross country speed). Other instruments display these
numbers but make you do the comparisons which is silly when you can
have a microcomputer do it and display the results.
Our vario display gives the maximum number of degrees for pointer
movement on the up side. A full 180 degree indication on the up side
and in the important zero to 2 knot band (well, I've always found it
important when at 700 feet above a paddock a long way from
civilisation in a plus and minus 0.5 knot thermal) we have about FIVE
TIMES the pointer movement of competing instruments.
Mike
At 09:48 AM 21/10/2013, you wrote:
Mike
I'm researching varios at the moment with a view to installing a new
one in my glider. Does the B800
automatically change from cruise to circling mode, or does it have
to be manually switched? Do you have
plans to support a Bluetooth interface with PDAs/phones? The latter
is offered by LX and seems a useful
feature.
Cheers
ND
On Fri, Oct 18th, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Mike Borgelt
<[email protected]> wrote:
> A B800.
>
> Mike
>
> At 11:15 AM 18/10/2013, you wrote:
> >Guys,
> >Dont forget about the great products from LX NAV.
> >Connect to any Tablet, or PDA you like.
> >Have a look at the LX V7 on our website.
> ><http://store.swiftavionics.com.au/v7-vario/>http://store.swiftav
ionics.com.au/v7-vario/
> >
> >What more could you want?
> >Cheers
> >Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Mike Borgelt
> ><<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
>
> >wrote:
> >
> >Yes but you do have to read the manual. About 6 pages is relevant to
> >operation. It helps if pilots and instructors actually understand
> >cross country theory which hasn't changed in the 60 or so years
> >since it was properly worked out.
> >Our varios are designed on the basis of cross country theory and
> >provide the all information you need to implement it. Any club
> >glider used for cross country or cross country training needs a
> >vario like this if your mission is to train XC capable pilots.
> >
> >DDSC and Kingaroy have club gliders equipped with B500s and B800s.
> >The B800 is a B500 with a log scale and many small improvements.
> >B500 owners may have their B500s modified to B800 or B600 (linear
> >scale - replaces B500) standard.
> >
> >We also make instruments (B300, B400, B700, B900) suitable as
> >backups or for gliders whose mission is primary training or local
> >soaring. These implement some or all of the climb mode features of
> >the B500/B600/B800.
> >
> >Here's what an aerospace industry professional who worked in cockpit
> >design had to say about the B500/B600/B800 (it was an unsolicited
> >opinion in a reply solicited by another manufacturer). "When it
> >comes to deciding to leave a thermal, the Borgelt is exceptional -
> >never look down, the LEDs give you what you need. As you straighten
> >out, averager/integrator numbers are just out of line of sight on
> >the Glareshield Controller and Display, and its knob is ready to
> >accept your MacCready command. As the glide progresses the
> >Borgelt's "performance Index" guide to bugs settings is quick and
> >easy. In the glide, the Borgelt's LED speed cues again mean no need
> >to look down." and "A B500 with GCD was the last nav/vario I flew
> >behind regularly and, truly, my favourite overall. The combination
> >of the GCD and bright LEDs gave me what I needed without spending
> >time 'head-down'." " I am expecting the Brand X audio to be like
> >the Borgelt B500, but without the cleverly thought out duty cycle
> >changes and peripherally visible bright LEDs that give me the
> >information I need in a different way."
> >
> >You can send the data to a colour moving map. SeeYou Mobile,
> >WinPilot, XCSoar and LK8000 support data input from the B800 (or
> >B600 which is the same but with linear display and even B50s).
> >However, the B800 has an internal glide/nav/wind computer which
> >works very well (including around a turnpoint) so the colour map is
> >mainly useful for a task overview with AATs, airspace boundaries and
> >maybe Flarm overview. You really should not need to do much more
> >than zoom and unzoom the display. Our glide algorithms have a long
> >successful history going back to the B25 glide computer in 1982.
> >
> >We're working on improvements and upgrades to the B800 software all
> >the time. There will be another for the GCD shortly. The last one
> >implemented the ability to take the card out of the GCD at briefing
> >and put the task for the day on one of the databases (there are 10)
> >and step through the start and turnpoints with one button push at a
> >time without scrolling.
> >
> >Dynamis, the long sought after Total Energy vario without
> >sensitivity to horizontal gusts is in the final stages of
> >development (it certainly works - we've shown that) and will be able
> >to be added to the B600 and B800. This will be a "must have" for
> >serious competition pilots.
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >
> >>
> >>Could anyone with experience using a Borgelt B 800 vario advise if
> >>it's suitable for use in a club glider?
> >>
> >>thanks,
> >>
> >>Greg.
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