Mike (and all) Thanks. I thought any reply you made might be useful to others - you have expanded on the information on your web site, all good stuff for pilots who are shopping.
Regards ND On Mon, Oct 21st, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Mike Borgelt <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Niall, > > Not sure you meant this to be on the list? > > The B800 has a cruise/climb switch. I prefer to switch manually as > which mode you need is a function of your state of mind (am I trying > to climb or am I trying to run?), not whether the glider is at a > particular speed, in a certain flap setting, turning, in rising or > sinking air etc. > I've tried the other methods and they all have shortcomings requiring > a manual switch to handle the exceptions anyway. The manual switch > forces you to make the decision and helps prevent dithering. We don't > yet have the fiber optic cable to your brain of the infamous LS22! > (probably Bluetooth to your brain nowadays). > We do switch the audio to climb mode when you are cruising and the > lift exceeds the current MacCready setting. This alerts you to lift > that you may want to turn in. The cruise climb switch also > initialises and ends the "whole thermal average" calculation. We do > this another way in the B700 standby vario (being a simple climb > vario with no cruise mode, it has no switch) but it can be fooled > although works well most of the time. > > > We can do a Bluetooth connection for you too but most PNAs, phones > etc have internal GPS. This is sufficient for the airspace and task > overview moving map. The rest is better done on the B800 including > thermal centering via the audio (which has the two speaker centering > algorithm and moves the sound in the direction you need to go) and > highly visible clear display (We do the 80mm version too if you have > the space) including averager lights. These show the results of the > calculations - is my current rate of climb hurting my running > average? is it hurting my whole thermal climb?(this is the one that > determines you cross country speed). Other instruments display these > numbers but make you do the comparisons which is silly when you can > have a microcomputer do it and display the results. > Our vario display gives the maximum number of degrees for pointer > movement on the up side. A full 180 degree indication on the up side > and in the important zero to 2 knot band (well, I've always found it > important when at 700 feet above a paddock a long way from > civilisation in a plus and minus 0.5 knot thermal) we have about FIVE > TIMES the pointer movement of competing instruments. > > Mike > > At 09:48 AM 21/10/2013, you wrote: > >Mike > > > >I'm researching varios at the moment with a view to installing a new > >one in my glider. Does the B800 > >automatically change from cruise to circling mode, or does it have > >to be manually switched? Do you have > >plans to support a Bluetooth interface with PDAs/phones? The latter > >is offered by LX and seems a useful > >feature. > > > >Cheers > >ND > > > >On Fri, Oct 18th, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Mike Borgelt > ><[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > A B800. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > At 11:15 AM 18/10/2013, you wrote: > > > >Guys, > > > >Dont forget about the great products from LX NAV. > > > >Connect to any Tablet, or PDA you like. > > > >Have a look at the LX V7 on our website. > > > ><http://store.swiftavionics.com.au/v7-vario/>http://store.swiftav > > ionics.com.au/v7-vario/ > > > > > > > >What more could you want? > > > >Cheers > > > >Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Mike Borgelt > > > > ><<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > >Yes but you do have to read the manual. About 6 pages is relevant to > > > >operation. It helps if pilots and instructors actually understand > > > >cross country theory which hasn't changed in the 60 or so years > > > >since it was properly worked out. > > > >Our varios are designed on the basis of cross country theory and > > > >provide the all information you need to implement it. Any club > > > >glider used for cross country or cross country training needs a > > > >vario like this if your mission is to train XC capable pilots. > > > > > > > >DDSC and Kingaroy have club gliders equipped with B500s and B800s. > > > >The B800 is a B500 with a log scale and many small improvements. > > > >B500 owners may have their B500s modified to B800 or B600 (linear > > > >scale - replaces B500) standard. > > > > > > > >We also make instruments (B300, B400, B700, B900) suitable as > > > >backups or for gliders whose mission is primary training or local > > > >soaring. These implement some or all of the climb mode features of > > > >the B500/B600/B800. > > > > > > > >Here's what an aerospace industry professional who worked in cockpit > > > >design had to say about the B500/B600/B800 (it was an unsolicited > > > >opinion in a reply solicited by another manufacturer). "When it > > > >comes to deciding to leave a thermal, the Borgelt is exceptional - > > > >never look down, the LEDs give you what you need. As you straighten > > > >out, averager/integrator numbers are just out of line of sight on > > > >the Glareshield Controller and Display, and its knob is ready to > > > >accept your MacCready command. As the glide progresses the > > > >Borgelt's "performance Index" guide to bugs settings is quick and > > > >easy. In the glide, the Borgelt's LED speed cues again mean no need > > > >to look down." and "A B500 with GCD was the last nav/vario I flew > > > >behind regularly and, truly, my favourite overall. The combination > > > >of the GCD and bright LEDs gave me what I needed without spending > > > >time 'head-down'." " I am expecting the Brand X audio to be like > > > >the Borgelt B500, but without the cleverly thought out duty cycle > > > >changes and peripherally visible bright LEDs that give me the > > > >information I need in a different way." > > > > > > > >You can send the data to a colour moving map. SeeYou Mobile, > > > >WinPilot, XCSoar and LK8000 support data input from the B800 (or > > > >B600 which is the same but with linear display and even B50s). > > > >However, the B800 has an internal glide/nav/wind computer which > > > >works very well (including around a turnpoint) so the colour map is > > > >mainly useful for a task overview with AATs, airspace boundaries and > > > >maybe Flarm overview. You really should not need to do much more > > > >than zoom and unzoom the display. Our glide algorithms have a long > > > >successful history going back to the B25 glide computer in 1982. > > > > > > > >We're working on improvements and upgrades to the B800 software all > > > >the time. There will be another for the GCD shortly. The last one > > > >implemented the ability to take the card out of the GCD at briefing > > > >and put the task for the day on one of the databases (there are 10) > > > >and step through the start and turnpoints with one button push at a > > > >time without scrolling. > > > > > > > >Dynamis, the long sought after Total Energy vario without > > > >sensitivity to horizontal gusts is in the final stages of > > > >development (it certainly works - we've shown that) and will be able > > > >to be added to the B600 and B800. This will be a "must have" for > > > >serious competition pilots. > > > > > > > >Mike > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>Could anyone with experience using a Borgelt B 800 vario advise if > > > >>it's suitable for use in a club glider? > > > >> > > > >>thanks, > > > >> > > > >>Greg. > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > >>Aus-soaring mailing list > > > >><mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > > ernode.on.net > > > >>To check or change subscription details, visit: > > > >><http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus- > >soaring>http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring > > > >instrumentation since 1978 > > > ><http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/>www.borgeltinstruments.com > > > >tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 > > > >mob: 042835 5784 : > int<tel:%2B61-42835%205784>+61-42835 > > > 5784 > > > >P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Aus-soaring mailing list > > > ><mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > > rnode.on.net > > > >To check or change subscription details, visit: > > > ><http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus- > >soaring>http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Mark Fisher > > > >Managing Director > > > >Swift Performance Equipment > > > >Unit 2, 1472 Boundary Rd > > > >Wacol 4076 > > > >Australia > > > >Ph: +61 7 3879 3005 > > > >Fax: +61 7 36076277 > > > ><http://www.spe.com.au/>www.spe.com.au > > > > > > > >[] > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Aus-soaring mailing list > > > >[email protected] > > > >To check or change subscription details, visit: > > > >http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > > > Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring > > > instrumentation since 1978 > > > www.borgeltinstruments.com > > > tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 > > > mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 > > > P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Aus-soaring mailing list > >[email protected] > >To check or change subscription details, visit: > >http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring > instrumentation since 1978 > www.borgeltinstruments.com > tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 > mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 > P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
