My understanding was that the official turn point list was now the file supplied by the organisers anyway. This is usually a small subset of the local database without points close together.
Even with a lack of multiple points in the same location, there is scope for confusion. I am aware of someone entering COONAMBLE into a task instead of COONABARABRAN as the device only showed the first 6 characters ! And then they flew the wrong task. From experience, entering a task using the numbers is far quicker and far less error prone, particularly if having to do it in the air (after my oudie crashed and lost the task), which means less time with head in the cockpit ! As far as getting an idea of what the task is, that is available from the task sheet and by drawing it on a map. Remember, the task is for the benefit of the competitors. The fact that any of us looking from home, work, etc can see what they are doing is a bonus. We should NEVER look to define tasks for the benefit of "spectators" ahead of the competitors. I was actually opposed to this change until I got to use the new names Matt On 8 Jan 2014, at 19:29 , Ross McLean <ross...@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Oh Mike, the probability for error goes through the roof when you have to > enter the actual Lat and Long of the turn points. I think you must have your > tongue firmly planted in your cheek on that answer. LOL > ROSS > _________________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt > Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 11:37 AM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints > > Presumably the turnpoint comes with the lat and long on the official list. > That removes any ambiguity. > > So, no, you don't have a point in the days of GPS and databases. > > Mike > > At 11:29 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote: > > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0191_01CF0C64.EE24B640" > Content-Language: en-au > > " How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more confusion > in the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set?" > > · Jandowie, Jandowie North, Jandowie Crossing > · Bobedah Town Hall, Bobedah Road Junc > · Boggabilla, Boggabri > · Carinda East, Carinda Swim Pool > · Collie A/F, Collie Road Junc > · Condobolin TerminlBldng, Condobolin Silo > · Coonabarabran, Coonabarabran Silo > · Coonamble TerminlBldng, Coonamble Silo, Coonamble West > · Forbes A/F, Forbes Silo > · Gilgandra A/F, Gilgandra TerminlBldng, Gilgandra Beehive Silo > · Temora A/F, Temora Silo > · Tomingley Road Junction, Tomingley West > (Silo)........................................... > > I could go on but you probably get the idea by now Mike. > ROSS > _________________________________________________________________________________________ > > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ > mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt > Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:45 AM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints > > Depends on the device and how the database is organised and how you choose > turnpoints. > > How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more confusion in > the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set? > > Presumably the names are spelled correctly and the coordinates supplied by > the organisers. > > > Mike > > .At 10:30 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote: > > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0162_01CF0C5C.A9DFE160" > Content-Language: en-au > > From a competitor's point of view the new turnpoint naming convention of > number/name is great as it avoids any possible confusion regarding which > turnpoint has been set for the task. Also makes it much easier to input the > task accurately into the logger/flight computer/gps whatever. Similarly, in > the air they are really much easier and faster to use. > ROSS > _________________________________________________________________________________________ > > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ > mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy Temple > Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 9:45 AM > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints > > The names are a combined number and name, not just a number. > eg 47PATA > MT > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ > mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt > Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 8:49 AM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints > > With the added advantage that casual visitors to the contest have no idea > where the task is for the day :-) > > Mike > > > At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote: > Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats pilot > meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes inputting tasks > to a device easier. > > Regards Grant. > > Grant Hudson > > > On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders <resand...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points. > > > > I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being > > described primarily by numbers these days. 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