Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

Ron Sanders Wed, 08 Jan 2014 21:26:36 -0800

Yeah  a Luddite!


On 9 January 2014 11:58, Ross McLean <[email protected]> wrote:

> *Ron Sanders said:*
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> *"* I also understand that this sounds like that rambling and digressions
> of an old man but the encroachment of computers and worse our blind faith
> in them is insidious."
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders
> Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2014 1:08 PM
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
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> Dear Matt,
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> COONAM IS different from COONAB.
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> I use a volkslogger so I know.
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> It is interesting as to how many responses a simple question gets!
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> I have a small preference for names rather than numbers, my understanding
> of the geography of the world IS based on names rather than numbers but I
> am absolutely tired if being dictated to by the limits of the computer
> world. It was interesting to watch the breifings at the recent nationals,
> the first Aussie comp I have attended for years, to note that it was almost
> a prerequisite that you had done you own prior briefing using the same
> tools as the organisation did. I just compared this to the old school type
> like I received recently at the South African nationals from Sven Olivier
> and like I used to receive from dear Alan Woolley. The guys took in all the
> data they had available to them and then using their local knowledge and
> experience gave a good high probability FORECAST.
>
> I definitely understand that my time has been and gone but I believe in
> the basics and basically the accident of Asiana recently and the notorious
> Air France 447 should never have happened. Basically you push the trust
> levers forward if you want to go faster, funny it is a bit like putting
> your foot on the accelerator. I also understand that this sounds like that
> rambling and digressions of an old man but the encroachment of computers
> and worse our blind faith in them is insidious.
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> See ya later
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> On 9 January 2014 06:39, Matt Gage <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > My understanding was that the official turn point list was now the
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> > file supplied by the organisers anyway. This is usually a small subset
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> > of the local database without points close together.
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> > Even with a lack of multiple points in the same location, there is
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> > scope for confusion. I am aware of someone entering COONAMBLE into a
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> > task instead of COONABARABRAN as the device only showed the first 6
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> > characters ! And then they flew the wrong task.
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> >
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> > From experience, entering a task using the numbers is far quicker and
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> > far less error prone, particularly if having to do it in the air
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> > (after my oudie crashed and lost the task), which means less time with
> head in the cockpit !
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> >
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> > As far as getting an idea of what the task is, that is available from
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> > the task sheet and by drawing it on a map.
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> > Remember, the task is for the benefit of the competitors. The fact
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> > that any of us looking from home, work, etc can see what they are doing
> is a bonus.
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> > We should NEVER look to define tasks for the benefit of "spectators"
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> > ahead of the competitors.
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> > I was actually opposed to this change until I got to use the new names
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> > Matt
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> > On 8 Jan 2014, at 19:29 , Ross McLean <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > Oh Mike, the probability for error goes through the roof when you have
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> > to enter the actual Lat and Long of the turn points. I think you must
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> > have your tongue firmly planted in your cheek on that answer. LOL
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> > ROSS
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> > ______________________________________________________________________
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> > From: [email protected]
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> > [mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>]
> On Behalf Of Mike
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> > Borgelt
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> > Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 11:37 AM
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> > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
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> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
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> > Presumably the turnpoint comes with the lat and long on the official
> list.
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> > That removes any ambiguity.
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> > So, no, you don't have a point in the days of GPS and databases.
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> > Mike
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> > At 11:29 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote:
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> > " How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more
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> > confusion in the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint
> has been set?"
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> > ·         Jandowie, Jandowie North, Jandowie Crossing
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> > ·         Bobedah Town Hall,   Bobedah Road Junc
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> > ·         Boggabilla, Boggabri
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> > ·         Carinda East, Carinda Swim Pool
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> > ·         Collie A/F, Collie Road Junc
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> > ·         Condobolin TerminlBldng, Condobolin Silo
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> > ·         Coonabarabran, Coonabarabran Silo
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> > ·         Coonamble TerminlBldng, Coonamble Silo, Coonamble West
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> > ·         Forbes A/F, Forbes  Silo
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> > ·         Gilgandra A/F, Gilgandra TerminlBldng, Gilgandra Beehive Silo
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> > ·         Temora A/F, Temora Silo
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> > ·         Tomingley Road Junction, Tomingley West
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> > (Silo)...........................................
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> > I could go on but you probably get the idea by now Mike.
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> > ROSS
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> > From: [email protected] [
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> > mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>]
> On Behalf Of Mike
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> > Borgelt
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> > Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:45 AM
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> > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
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> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
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> >
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> > Depends on the device and how the database is organised and how you
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> > choose turnpoints.
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> >
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> > How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more
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> > confusion in the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint
> has been set?
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> > Presumably the names are spelled correctly and the coordinates
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> > supplied by the organisers.
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> > Mike
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> > .At 10:30 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote:
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> > From a competitor's point of view the new turnpoint naming convention
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> > of number/name is great as it avoids any possible confusion regarding
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> > which turnpoint has been set for the task. Also makes it much easier
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> > to input the task accurately into the logger/flight computer/gps
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> > whatever. Similarly, in the air they are really much easier and faster
> to use.
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> > ROSS
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> > ______________________________________________________________________
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> > ___________________
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> > From: [email protected] [
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> > mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>]
> On Behalf Of Mandy
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> > Temple
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> > Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 9:45 AM
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> > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
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> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
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> >
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> > The names are a combined number and name, not just a number.
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> > eg 47PATA
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> > MT
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> > From: [email protected] [
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> > mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>]
> On Behalf Of Mike
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> > Borgelt
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> > Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 8:49 AM
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> > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
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> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
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> >
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> > With the added advantage that casual visitors to the contest have no
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> > idea where the task is for the day :-)
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> >
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> > Mike
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> > At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote:
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> > Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats
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> > pilot meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes
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> > inputting tasks to a device easier.
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> > Regards Grant.
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> > Grant Hudson
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> >> On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders <[email protected]> wrote:
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> >>
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> >> Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points.
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> >>
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> >> I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being
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> >> described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any
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> >> body can tell me why??
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> >> Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body
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> >> has made some kind of policy decision.
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> >>
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> >> Ron
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