Ross, It isn't a joke.How much automation is put in just about anything deserves serious engineering consideration. There have been people who followed the directions of their car GPS....... into a lake. Bit like mixing up Coonamble and Coonabarabaran and blindly following the computer.
Mike At 05:01 PM 9/01/2014, you wrote:
Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03A8_01CF0D5C.72B3EBE0" Content-Language: en-auRon got my joke Mike, he admitted to being a Luddite. We are all guilty of that at some stage, I was just pulling his leg a bit.ROSS_________________________________________________________________________________________From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike BorgeltSent: Thursday, 9 January 2014 4:51 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Reactionaries Ross,The term "reactionary" is used by communists and fellow travellers to deride those who oppose their ghastly, evil and murderous plans for humanity. "liberalism" has so many meanings as to be useless. Classical liberalism is not what you might think it is. "progress" is a perversion of the language as used here. It seems to mean making sure everybody is a ward of the State and dependent on it for their lives. That was the case in feudalism. I'd like to know what kind of "progress" this is.Mike At 01:58 PM 9/01/2014, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0377_01CF0D42.E721FA40" Content-Language: en-au Ron Sanders said:" I also understand that this sounds like that rambling and digressions of an old man but the encroachment of computers and worse our blind faith in them is insidious."--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Dictionary says: re·ac·tion·ar·y (r http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/emacr.gif - http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/abreve.gif k http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gif sh http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/schwa.gif -n http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ebreve.gif r http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/lprime.gif http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/emacr.gif ) adj.Characterized by reaction, especially opposition to progress or liberalism; extremely conservative.n. pl. re·ac·tion·ar·ies An opponent of progress or liberalism; an extreme conservative. -----Original Message-----From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] [ mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron SandersSent: Thursday, 9 January 2014 1:08 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints Dear Matt, COONAM IS different from COONAB. I use a volkslogger so I know. It is interesting as to how many responses a simple question gets!I have a small preference for names rather than numbers, my understanding of the geography of the world IS based on names rather than numbers but I am absolutely tired if being dictated to by the limits of the computer world. It was interesting to watch the breifings at the recent nationals, the first Aussie comp I have attended for years, to note that it was almost a prerequisite that you had done you own prior briefing using the same tools as the organisation did. I just compared this to the old school type like I received recently at the South African nationals from Sven Olivier and like I used to receive from dear Alan Woolley. The guys took in all the data they had available to them and then using their local knowledge and experience gave a good high probability FORECAST. I definitely understand that my time has been and gone but I believe in the basics and basically the accident of Asiana recently and the notorious Air France 447 should never have happened. Basically you push the trust levers forward if you want to go faster, funny it is a bit like putting your foot on the accelerator. I also understand that this sounds like that rambling and digressions of an old man but the encroachment of computers and worse our blind faith in them is insidious.See ya laterOn 9 January 2014 06:39, Matt Gage <<mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote:> My understanding was that the official turn point list was now the > file supplied by the organisers anyway. This is usually a small subset > of the local database without points close together. > > Even with a lack of multiple points in the same location, there is > scope for confusion. I am aware of someone entering COONAMBLE into a > task instead of COONABARABRAN as the device only showed the first 6 > characters ! And then they flew the wrong task. > > From experience, entering a task using the numbers is far quicker and > far less error prone, particularly if having to do it in the air> (after my oudie crashed and lost the task), which means less time with head in the cockpit !> > As far as getting an idea of what the task is, that is available from > the task sheet and by drawing it on a map. > > Remember, the task is for the benefit of the competitors. The fact> that any of us looking from home, work, etc can see what they are doing is a bonus.> We should NEVER look to define tasks for the benefit of "spectators" > ahead of the competitors. > > I was actually opposed to this change until I got to use the new names > > Matt > >> On 8 Jan 2014, at 19:29 , Ross McLean <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > wrote:> > Oh Mike, the probability for error goes through the roof when you have > to enter the actual Lat and Long of the turn points. I think you must > have your tongue firmly planted in your cheek on that answer. LOL > > ROSS > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ___________________ > > > > >> From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> [ mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike > Borgelt > Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 11:37 AM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints > > > > Presumably the turnpoint comes with the lat and long on the official list. > That removes any ambiguity. > > So, no, you don't have a point in the days of GPS and databases. > > Mike > > At 11:29 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote: > > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0191_01CF0C64.EE24B640" > Content-Language: en-au > > " How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more> confusion in the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set?"> > · Jandowie, Jandowie North, Jandowie Crossing > · Bobedah Town Hall, Bobedah Road Junc > · Boggabilla, Boggabri > · Carinda East, Carinda Swim Pool > · Collie A/F, Collie Road Junc > · Condobolin TerminlBldng, Condobolin Silo > · Coonabarabran, Coonabarabran Silo > · Coonamble TerminlBldng, Coonamble Silo, Coonamble West > · Forbes A/F, Forbes Silo > · Gilgandra A/F, Gilgandra TerminlBldng, Gilgandra Beehive Silo > · Temora A/F, Temora Silo > · Tomingley Road Junction, Tomingley West > (Silo)........................................... > > I could go on but you probably get the idea by now Mike. > ROSS > ______________________________________________________________________ > ___________________ >> From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] [> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike > Borgelt > Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:45 AM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints > > Depends on the device and how the database is organised and how you > choose turnpoints. > > How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more> confusion in the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set?> > Presumably the names are spelled correctly and the coordinates > supplied by the organisers. > > > Mike > > .At 10:30 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote: > > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0162_01CF0C5C.A9DFE160" > Content-Language: en-au > > From a competitor's point of view the new turnpoint naming convention > of number/name is great as it avoids any possible confusion regarding > which turnpoint has been set for the task. Also makes it much easier > to input the task accurately into the logger/flight computer/gps> whatever. Similarly, in the air they are really much easier and faster to use.> ROSS > ______________________________________________________________________ > ___________________ >> From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] [> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mandy > Temple > Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 9:45 AM > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints > > The names are a combined number and name, not just a number. > eg 47PATA > MT >> From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] [> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike > Borgelt > Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 8:49 AM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints > > With the added advantage that casual visitors to the contest have no > idea where the task is for the day :-) > > Mike > > > At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote: > Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats > pilot meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes > inputting tasks to a device easier. > > Regards Grant. > > Grant Hudson >>> On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:>> >> Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points. >> >> I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being >> described primarily by numbers these days. 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