"That’s just Imposter Syndrome.  Alan Barnes knows Ingo would be doing 12.
:)"


​Bugger, suddenly I am third-class :)

Cheers

Paul


On 2 September 2014 16:06, Mark Newton <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> On Sep 2, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Paul Bart <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Thank you for a detailed and logical post. Frankly I do not think I would
> take issue with most points you make. I simply think my personal experience
> is different. I am not a member of any other flying organisation so I
> cannot compare.
>
>
>
> That’s fine, we all come from different backgrounds, and different things
> are important to all of us.  That’s one of the points I was making.
>
> For those of us for whom “the freedom of flight” is important in the
> manner I described, GFA has literally nothing to offer us - indeed, its
> very existence is an impediment (the CASA GPL would likely be very
> different if GFA had not been involved in it)
>
> The fact is that I do not see that GFA impedes what I want to do, nor what
> a majority of glider pilots I personally know (a limited sample) do. Does a
> level 2 instructor impedes my flying, not in the least, do I feel in any
> way "supervised"? Not in the least. When it is my turn to run the day, do I
> interfere with any of the solo pilots? No.
>
>
> It’s not a question of interference, that isn’t the point.
>
> You cannot take responsibility for rigging a glider, because GFA seems to
> be saying that its trained certificate holders lack the alacrity to perform
> that task without someone else looking over their shoulder and
> countersigning.
>
> When you are running a day, you are on an undefined, open-ended legal
> liability hook for any accidents or injuries they suffer.  Could you have
> prevented an actionable event by preventing a launch?  Even if you
> couldn’t, could an insurance company’s lawyer paint a picture that says you
> could?  You might not even know those other pilots, but you’ve “taken
> charge” of their operation.  Do you know what that means?
>
> And anyone who isn’t an instructor *should* feel “in any way supervised”
> because that’s what the instructor’s actual job is. Everyone is under
> supervision.  All the time.
>
> I don’t know how to describe how oppressive that is for the group of
> pilots for whom “freedom of flight” is important; how much the knowledge
> that you can never be so well trained or well skilled that you can be
> trusted to command your own aircraft can suck the enjoyment out of the
> sport — When that’s precisely the expectation held by pilots in literally
> every other aviation discipline I’ve ever come into contact with.
>
> I can remember 14 years ago, one of the very first aus-soaring messages I
> ever read was Mike Borgelt making the entirely reasonable observation that
> it is impossible for a L2 Independent Operator to legally fly his own
> self-launching glider out of his own private airfield, because the act of
> rigging it requires another GFA member to be physically present to
> countersign the maintenance release.
>
> 14 years later, *nothing has changed.*
>
> How is that possible?  That renders the entire L2 Independent Operator
> rating worthless.  How pathetic is it that so much time can pass without
> such an obvious regulatory defect being closed?
>
> So  the only time I feel as a second-class aviator is when i hook into a 6
> kt thermal and I know that Alan Barnes would be doing 8 :).
>
>
> That’s just Imposter Syndrome.  Alan Barnes knows Ingo would be doing 12.
> :)
>
>   - mark
>
>
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