Hi Bernard

No I do not.

Firstly, the issue of a check flight. I do not see that the two situations
are analogous. Generally, but granted not exclusively, the check flight is
for pilots wishing to fly a club aircraft. I think that every club has the
right to protect their equipment. Secondly, a pilot landing at an airfield
is no different to a motorist on a road. If you have the appropriate
qualifications, you can enjoy the rights that those qualifications entitle
you to. Launching from a club airfield, you are joining an operation. I
think that the operation, read club, has rights, that are et least equal to
yours.

As for the costs, I am simply in no position to support mine or refute your
arguments. However I do know that there is an entire industry in Europe to
help individuals / companies to deal with the regulation bloat, at a
considerable cost. Equally, an increase in regulation also leads to an
increase in corruption. I do not see either as desirable.

Finally a number of posters indicated that we may be losing potential
glider pilots, because the GFA rules, yet I see people turning their backs
on power flying, often citing cost (medicals etc.) and complexity as a
reason. I do not know how the numbers stack up, but chances are that
neither do you. So it is just a speculation used to prop someones point of
view.

Frankly I have seen no empirical data to support any point of view, or to
make conclusions about the detrimental or beneficial influence on glider
pilot retention / loss from the current rules.




Cheers

Paul


On 2 September 2014 13:43, Future Aviation <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hello Paul
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> Thank you! This is the sort of feedback I was hoping for.
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> If my interpretation of this tread is correct previous discussions
> revolved mainly about competition licences and not
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> about operations of competent glider pilots without instructor oversight.
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> Let’s put this side issue aside and focus on your concerns about a “rise
> in complexity and/or cost” for now. This is quite
> simply unfounded as it was made very clear that glider pilots not aspiring
> to a licence can continue to operate as usual
> and without an additional cost burden.
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> The real issue is bringing gliding in line with international standards
> and long established practices of other Australian
> aviation bodies. The question remains, why can’t properly licensed glider
> pilots be treated exactly like fully licensed
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> power pilots? Can you imagine a power pilot being asked for a check flight
> on landing at another airfield?
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> Can you see my point now?
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> Kind regards
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> Bernard
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> *From:* [email protected] [
> mailto:[email protected]
> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Paul Bart
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 September 2014 10:20 AM
>
> *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no
> clothes
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> On 2 September 2014 07:38, Future Aviation <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Simon, can you (and other members of this newsgroup) let me in on your
> thinking, please?
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> ​Bernard
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> There were about 80 emails written on this topic over the last few days
> all saying about the same thing, all written by the same few contributors.
> It would seem to me that if you need them to "let you know their thinking"
> once again, then perhaps you have not read their contribution carefully
> enough.
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> Frankly, I am more interested in maintaining a simple and inexpensive
> system to fly gliders in Australia. Given the fragile state of of
> participation in gliding I fear that any rise in complexity and / or cost
> will simply drive more people away. You say "When our newcomers realise
> that they will always be treated as second class aviators we can't blame
> them when they vote with their feet." Well I have been involved in gliding
> for some fourteen years now, with a reasonably sized club and I am yet to
> encounter any pilot being too worried about being classed as "second class
> aviator".
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> Cheers
>
> Paul
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