Richard Frawley/Terry Cubley
There was another discussion recently regarding the Member Protection Policy.
If the GFA has not acted yet on this rubbish then that is concrete proof it is
no more than window dressing. Those responsible should be made an example and
their memberships suspended for 12 months - and it should be publicly announced.
That would send a message. By tacitly allowing this to go unpunished gliding
excludes 50% of the population effectively and condones this behaviour.
Yes this is a private forum but if the comments were made by GFA members then
the GFA must act.
Rob Izatt
On 12/09/2014, at 11:57 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> Astounding! To me this is an absolutely stunning summary of the current
> situation.
>
> I can see why you have nominated not to make further comment – you have
> summed it up quite succulently, and there seems little else that can be
> meaningfully said by a mere male on this topic at this point in time. [That
> cartoon is so brutal and true!] However I wonder if any female member of the
> forum would like to make further informed comment?
>
> It would seem that the ONLY ???? thing left to do is to action things. But
> what actions? Quite obviously what we are really discussing here is a major
> culture change. Usually, in the nature of things, this takes time, almost
> always a great deal of time. Can this process be accelerated?
>
> Never the less I find it somewhat heartening that the topic is now here on
> Aus- Soaring for discussion.
>
> Terry Cubley, besides being the Aus rep, is now also the Vice-President of
> the IGC. I know that Terry is a member of this forum and therefore at least
> scans most of the posted material. As I said in an earlier post to Teal, the
> problem is worldwide, and it would seem appropriate that Terry is
> directed/nicely asked/whatever by the members of this forum – the majority
> of whom I assume are GFA members and therefore can somewhat informally make
> this request. {Yeah, yeah, yeah , I know the formal process: The GFA member
> has to put it to his/her Club Committee, the Club puts it to the State
> Association and then the SA puts it to the GFA Board ... No wonder the likes
> of Mike B despairs} - to do everything in his power (whatever that is ), to
> expedite that cultural change at international level.
>
> Terry, can you please respond to my post?
>
> Regards,
> Gary
>
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mark Newton
> Sent: Friday, 12 September 2014 7:10 PM
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Controlling attitude
>
>
> I reckon there will be a bunch of people who’ve read some of the posts on
> this mailing list today who’ll be saying, “I don’t see the problem. It’s just
> a bit of harmless fun. Doesn’t hurt anybody.”
>
> Guys say that all the time, never realizing that the only reason they're able
> to say it is because they’ve typically been utterly indifferent to whether
> their fun is, indeed, “harmless,” or whether it has hurt anybody.
>
> I don’t know, perhaps parents of girls have a different view. Perspective
> and experience.
>
> The reason it usually passes without mention is because most women, having
> put up with it for their entire living memory, are so sick of it that they
> can’t be bothered going through the exhausting rigmarole of engaging anymore,
> and just remove themselves from situations where it’s a problem; and because
> so many men, harboring a cataclysmic failure of empathy, don’t even notice
> the reactions of women, and just let it slide without saying anything.
>
> “The secret life of women.”
> http://i.imgur.com/OigLS.png
> (I know the cartoonist: He told me some of these quotes were provided by his
> daughter)
>
> In case you haven’t noticed (and I’m almost certain that some of you actually
> haven’t), gliding is almost entirely dominated by men. There’s no physical
> reason why that should be the case. There’s also no innate gender-based
> difference in skill to explain it either.
>
> I’m going to say it’s cultural: The traditions and attitudes present at
> gliding clubs all over Australia are, either overtly (like today’s email
> messages) or subtly (like so much of everything else) repulsive to women.
> I’ve seen so many women enjoy their AEF, stick with it for a couple of
> weekends, and never come back. And thousands of pilots barely ever wonder
> why that’s the case. Over time, gliding clubs become male ghettos, all over
> Australia.
>
> “What we walk past, we accept.”
>
> When we’re learning to fly, the first lesson we’re taught is stability. The
> second lesson we’re taught is how to change our attitude.
>
> This community seems absolutely excellent at stability. When it comes to
> sexism, maybe it ought to be skilled enough to master attitude.
>
> There’ll no doubt be replies to this message. I’ve said my piece, I’m not
> going to respond to any of them them. But I, like everyone else who reads
> them, will be making character judgements regardless. If you find that idea
> challenging, perhaps take 24 hours to have a good hard think about why.
>
> Fin.
>
> - mark
> [ I will also reserve judgement over whether off-list replies should be
> forwarded to the list.
> There will be no shadows here. ]
>
>
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