I very much doubt it.
Re agreement, the word duress or something similar springs to mind.
From: Rob Izatt
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 10:34 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Controlling attitude
But it has everything to do with being a GFA member and the Administrative
Appeals Tribunal would refer you to the GFA rules which you agreed to.
GFA prohibits all forms of harassment discrimination and bullying based on
personal characteristics listed in the Dictionary. Discrimination and
harassment are extremely distressing, offensive, humiliating and/or threatening
and create an uncomfortable and unpleasant environment. In most circumstances
discrimination and harassment are against the law.
Descriptions of some of the types of behaviour which could be regarded as
harassment or discrimination are provided in the Dictionary at clause 11 and
includes offensive, abusive, belittling, intimidating or threatening behaviour,
whether face to face, indirectly or via technologies such as mobile phones or
the internet.
Membership suspension, expulsion, discipline
10) a)
b)
c)
Subject to these rules and other board regulations, if the Board deems a Member
has refused or neglected to comply with the Association's rules or MoSPs, or
has been guilty of conduct unbecoming of a Member, or prejudicial to the
interests of gliding, the Board may, by resolution:
i) fine the Member, or ii) suspend that Member from membership for a specified
time, or iii) expel the Member from the Association, or iv) take all such
action as may be necessary for the proper management of the
affairs of the Association.
On 13/09/2014, at 10:05 AM, Christopher McDonnell wrote:
Rob Izatt said: “Those responsible should be made an example and their
memberships suspended for 12 months - and it should be publicly announced.”
Suspension of membership would mean you could not fly a glider. I have often
wondered what the AAT would think of the removal of flying rights for an
‘offence’ nothing to do with flying.
Chris
From: Rob Izatt
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:17 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Controlling attitude
Richard Frawley/Terry Cubley
There was another discussion recently regarding the Member Protection Policy.
If the GFA has not acted yet on this rubbish then that is concrete proof it is
no more than window dressing. Those responsible should be made an example and
their memberships suspended for 12 months - and it should be publicly
announced.
That would send a message. By tacitly allowing this to go unpunished gliding
excludes 50% of the population effectively and condones this behaviour.
Yes this is a private forum but if the comments were made by GFA members then
the GFA must act.
Rob Izatt
On 12/09/2014, at 11:57 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote:
Hi Mark,
Astounding! To me this is an absolutely stunning summary of the current
situation.
I can see why you have nominated not to make further comment – you have
summed it up quite succulently, and there seems little else that can be
meaningfully said by a mere male on this topic at this point in time. [That
cartoon is so brutal and true!] However I wonder if any female member of the
forum would like to make further informed comment?
It would seem that the ONLY ???? thing left to do is to action things. But
what actions? Quite obviously what we are really discussing here is a major
culture change. Usually, in the nature of things, this takes time, almost
always a great deal of time. Can this process be accelerated?
Never the less I find it somewhat heartening that the topic is now here on
Aus- Soaring for discussion.
Terry Cubley, besides being the Aus rep, is now also the Vice-President of
the IGC. I know that Terry is a member of this forum and therefore at least
scans most of the posted material. As I said in an earlier post to Teal, the
problem is worldwide, and it would seem appropriate that Terry is
directed/nicely asked/whatever by the members of this forum – the majority of
whom I assume are GFA members and therefore can somewhat informally make this
request. {Yeah, yeah, yeah , I know the formal process: The GFA member has to
put it to his/her Club Committee, the Club puts it to the State Association
and then the SA puts it to the GFA Board ... No wonder the likes of Mike B
despairs} - to do everything in his power (whatever that is ), to expedite
that cultural change at international level.
Terry, can you please respond to my post?
Regards,
Gary
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mark Newton
Sent: Friday, 12 September 2014 7:10 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Controlling attitude
I reckon there will be a bunch of people who’ve read some of the posts on
this mailing list today who’ll be saying, “I don’t see the problem. It’s just a
bit of harmless fun. Doesn’t hurt anybody.”
Guys say that all the time, never realizing that the only reason they're
able to say it is because they’ve typically been utterly indifferent to whether
their fun is, indeed, “harmless,” or whether it has hurt anybody.
I don’t know, perhaps parents of girls have a different view. Perspective
and experience.
The reason it usually passes without mention is because most women, having
put up with it for their entire living memory, are so sick of it that they
can’t be bothered going through the exhausting rigmarole of engaging anymore,
and just remove themselves from situations where it’s a problem; and because
so many men, harboring a cataclysmic failure of empathy, don’t even notice the
reactions of women, and just let it slide without saying anything.
“The secret life of women.”
http://i.imgur.com/OigLS.png
(I know the cartoonist: He told me some of these quotes were provided by
his daughter)
In case you haven’t noticed (and I’m almost certain that some of you
actually haven’t), gliding is almost entirely dominated by men. There’s no
physical reason why that should be the case. There’s also no innate
gender-based difference in skill to explain it either.
I’m going to say it’s cultural: The traditions and attitudes present at
gliding clubs all over Australia are, either overtly (like today’s email
messages) or subtly (like so much of everything else) repulsive to women. I’ve
seen so many women enjoy their AEF, stick with it for a couple of weekends, and
never come back. And thousands of pilots barely ever wonder why that’s the
case. Over time, gliding clubs become male ghettos, all over Australia.
“What we walk past, we accept.”
When we’re learning to fly, the first lesson we’re taught is stability.
The second lesson we’re taught is how to change our attitude.
This community seems absolutely excellent at stability. When it comes to
sexism, maybe it ought to be skilled enough to master attitude.
There’ll no doubt be replies to this message. I’ve said my piece, I’m not
going to respond to any of them them. But I, like everyone else who reads them,
will be making character judgements regardless. If you find that idea
challenging, perhaps take 24 hours to have a good hard think about why.
Fin.
- mark
[ I will also reserve judgement over whether off-list replies should be
forwarded to the list.
There will be no shadows here. ]
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