May I say, I am very grateful that there are manufacturers and product suppliers that are taking it on to "make a killing" (yeah, right..) from selling to the gliding fraternity. I do not think that there is one supplier (or manufacturer) here in Australia that can live on sales of soaring equipment alone. They all have a day time job to my knowledge - providing for the gliding fraternity is like a labour of love to the hobby. One really good aspect of this list is that people like Adam are sharing their experiences. And people like Mike, Bernard and Ian are sharing their bit. Adam re-started a really good topic. .. Erich
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Richard Frawley <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Just wondering if we all OK with product suppliers using this list towards > their direct commercial benefit? > > I feel general discussion contribution and sharing of actual experience by > all subscribers is most acceptable, but it looks a bit ugly when pushing > specific products is the obvious intent. There are surely other more > accepted channels for that. > > Richard > > > At 12:30 PM 29/04/2015, you wrote: > >> Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: varios, redundancy (Ian Mc Phee) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:04:17 +1000 >> From: Ian Mc Phee <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy >> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." >> <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: >> <CAAMD4Kon+em9qP-6n-DBQFvceoKA= >> [email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Notice my name or products has been used a few times. >> >> 1 I certainly agree with air vents say infront of compass and cover >> inside >> of hole(s) with fly gauze & this idea certainly came from Mike. Electrics >> hate excess heat so PLEASE do this during this winter. >> >> 2 Pilots have alerted me to the faster, 0.9 lit Winter vario & I now >> recommend this unit & the only one I stock these days. Another good >> Winter vario is the logarithmic which has expanded in low range but have >> not flown with this type recently. >> >> 3 If using a mechanical then T as close to probe as possible (minimum >> under >> spar). Some pilots have an air switch so winter is not on probe & they >> cover up the mechanical but can always be uncovered and used if electric >> failure. >> >> 4 Statics etc MUST be covered up if rain is around & in hornet season >> the >> worst is a partly blocked tube. >> >> 5 I am sure all varios brands are making quantum leap forward over the >> last few year and especially on those gusty broken days. I can say >> ClearNav >> vario is much improved (esp the latest version 3.0) over the earlier >> Cambridge 302 which I considered was a great vario but is now 10 years >> old. >> If you would like to try a clearnav vario just ask for a loaner. >> >> 6 I think many vario issues are associated with plumbing. Eg partly >> blocked line, leak with old plastic plumbing (silicon tube always seals), >> leaking Winter case, the instrument barb on a winter flask being >> unscrewed >> slightly & slight leak, etc. Electric issues can be as simple as voltage >> drop across fuse because fuse has been heated by maybe a surge of power >> and >> that was also suggested by Mike guess 25 years or so. >> >> I could bang on about radio issues & is often aerial & power supply. I >> have an aerial checker (no radio needed) & again it is available for loan. >> Be real careful with a glider that has broken back or very early Cirrus >> or >> Libelle I built aerial or Nimbus 3 or 4 with aerial I rudder with that >> BNC >> that is not sealed from water. >> >> That's all for the moment. >> >> Ian Mc Phee >> 0428847642 >> Box 657 Byron Bay NSW 2481 >> >> On 28/04/2015 9:03 PM, "go_soaring" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > The vent hole on the shroud is an excellent idea, McPhee alerted me to >> > that you came up with that idea - it's on my list to do this form2. I >> can >> > only imagine the life span it'd take away from my instruments. >> > >> > I'd like to change my shroud color too, the color wasn't chosen by me. >> > Another one of those jobs to get around too.. >> > >> > Re: fuses, there's an extra one on my panel for the electric bug wipers >> > that'll one day find themselves installed. >> > >> > On a side note, I'm with James Dutschke - the B700 is amazing as a >> vario. >> > It'd be also great as a sole vario in your glider. I've in fact have >> owned >> > two, reason: to long to describe, rest assured it was for good reasons! >> > >> > >> > Safe Circles, >> > WPP >> > >> > >> > On 28 Apr 2015, at 19:26, Mike Borgelt <[email protected] >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > I don't see a magnetic compass. Isn't compliant with airworthiness >> > requirements. >> > >> > Also nasty shine on the black instrument panel cover. Humbrol Matt Black >> > 33 from your local Toyworld or hobby shop fixes that. 2 coats out of two >> > small cans. Brushes nicely with 1/2" soft brush. >> > >> > Also no vent hole in the cover to let out hot air. Bad pup, no >> biscuit. >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > >> > >> > At 06:32 PM 28/04/2015, you wrote: >> > >> > You have a whole lot of fuses and switches there.? More fuses than >> > instruments. >> > >> > Why so many? >> > >> > On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 6:57 AM, go_soaring <[email protected] > >> > wrote: G'day all,? >> > My apologies, forgot to mention that I run an LX Colibri II as my >> > independent backup vario & nav source. I've flown a practice 400km >> flight >> > with it prior to the Nationals this year, surprisingly worked really >> well >> > as a vario. After all, Tobias Geiger almost won a world championships by >> > flying with a Colibri II alone!! >> > The only thing that would make me feel even better about my CNv, is to >> > have Borgelts brilliant backup battery supply to his B instruments >> added to >> > the CNv - I'm sure it's saved many Mike! >> > >> > Cheers, WPP >> > P.s. My panel as it is now <2a115de.JPG> >> > >> > >> > On 27 Apr 2015, at 18:11, Peter Champness <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > I have just been choosing instruments for a new glider. >> > I did wonder for a moment after reading Adam's post whether I had wasted >> > money on the Winter Vario. >> > However I agree with Mike.? A set on basic instruments (redundancy) is >> > good insurance.? In my case I have something in case of electrical >> failure. >> > No doubt thermal can be found and used without any instruments, but it >> > difficult. >> > On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Mike Borgelt < >> > [email protected]> wrote: At 08:14 AM 27/04/2015, you >> wrote: >> > There????s no need for a winter backup now >> > > Maybe not a Winter vario as backup but you should have a backup. >> Adam's >> > advice is probably the silliest thing I've read in a long time. >> > The only time you may reasonably want to rely on one vario is in a >> > motorglider if you are prepared to start the motor and fly home if the >> > single vario fails. >> > Too bad if you are half way round a 500km triangle and set to win the >> > Nationals if you do reasonably this day. >> > For the paleo engineless gliders you are likely to risk an outlanding >> with >> > its attendant hazards. Pretty stupid to risk breaking your glider or >> > yourself over lack of a backup. >> > If you are serious about competition you should be equipped to cope with >> > single failures of equipment. Most people carry two flight recorders for >> > good reason. >> > A main navigation system and some reasonable backup is also necessary. >> > Hint: fly with the backups working. The time to find out they have >> failed >> > is NOT when you've had another failure. >> > The backup vario may also have a different speed of response and? will >> > likely just display TE vario. Your primary should be showing netto >> > (airmass) or relative netto ( airmass offset down by the sink rate in >> > circling flight - this means it always shows the rate of climb you would >> > get if you slowed down and circled, no matter your current airspeed). >> The >> > two varios may show slightly different information without changing >> modes >> > which can be useful. >> > >> > We've all had even modern electronic equipment fail. Phones, PC's GPS , >> > etc etc. It is pretty good nowadays but anyone doing what Adam says is >> > tempting fate, Murphy's Law and what a physics teacher of mine called >> "the >> > innate cussedness of inanimate matter". >> > When you decide to use a backup you might like to consider that the >> Winter >> > doesn't have an audio or an averager. Do you really want to be sharing >> > thermals with other gliders without an audio? If flying cross country >> you >> > would find you would miss the averager. >> > If you have a backup electronic vario it should have its own independent >> > backup power supply. While a glider electrical system can be fused >> properly >> > so that the radio for example developing an internal short doesn't take >> out >> > the main battery fuse (and if everything dies because of this or >> similar , >> > are you going to simply flip the switch to battery 2 and take out *its* >> > fuse also?) I suspect many aren't. >> > If you decide to join the 21st century for your backup vario get in >> touch >> > and I'll sell you something you'll be happy to fly with when you need >> it. >> > Mike >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list >> > [email protected] To check or change subscription >> > details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > >> > Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring >> > instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel:? ? 07 4635 >> > 5784? ? ? ? ? overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784? ? ? ? ? ? >> ? >> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? :? int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, >> > QLD 4350, Australia >> > _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list >> > [email protected] To check or change subscription >> > details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing >> list >> > [email protected] To check or change subscription >> > details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > >> > _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list >> > [email protected] To check or change subscription >> > details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > >> > >> > Content-Type: image/jpeg; >> > x-apple-part-url=267EF265-9A8B-4F68-ADCA-8D5AA483E849; >> > name="image1.JPG" >> > Content-Disposition: inline; filename="image1.JPG" >> > Content-ID: <267EF265-9A8B-4F68-ADCA-8D5AA483E849> >> > X-Attachment-Id: 4ba9a3ca63d0a91a_0.0.1.1 >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Aus-soaring mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > To check or change subscription details, visit: >> > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > >> > *Borgelt Instruments* - >> > *design & manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * >> > www.borgeltinstruments.com >> > tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 >> > mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 >> > P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Aus-soaring mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > To check or change subscription details, visit: >> > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Aus-soaring mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > To check or change subscription details, visit: >> > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20150429/6257efdc/attachment.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> >> End of Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 139, Issue 54 >> ******************************************** >> > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >
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