I am OK with discussion about the merits of available gliding equipment. Why not?
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Richard Frawley <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Just wondering if we all OK with product suppliers using this list towards > their direct commercial benefit? > > I feel general discussion contribution and sharing of actual experience by > all subscribers is most acceptable, but it looks a bit ugly when pushing > specific products is the obvious intent. There are surely other more > accepted channels for that. > > Richard > > > At 12:30 PM 29/04/2015, you wrote: > >> Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: varios, redundancy (Ian Mc Phee) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:04:17 +1000 >> From: Ian Mc Phee <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy >> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." >> <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: >> <CAAMD4Kon+em9qP-6n-DBQFvceoKA= >> [email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Notice my name or products has been used a few times. >> >> 1 I certainly agree with air vents say infront of compass and cover >> inside >> of hole(s) with fly gauze & this idea certainly came from Mike. Electrics >> hate excess heat so PLEASE do this during this winter. >> >> 2 Pilots have alerted me to the faster, 0.9 lit Winter vario & I now >> recommend this unit & the only one I stock these days. Another good >> Winter vario is the logarithmic which has expanded in low range but have >> not flown with this type recently. >> >> 3 If using a mechanical then T as close to probe as possible (minimum >> under >> spar). Some pilots have an air switch so winter is not on probe & they >> cover up the mechanical but can always be uncovered and used if electric >> failure. >> >> 4 Statics etc MUST be covered up if rain is around & in hornet season >> the >> worst is a partly blocked tube. >> >> 5 I am sure all varios brands are making quantum leap forward over the >> last few year and especially on those gusty broken days. I can say >> ClearNav >> vario is much improved (esp the latest version 3.0) over the earlier >> Cambridge 302 which I considered was a great vario but is now 10 years >> old. >> If you would like to try a clearnav vario just ask for a loaner. >> >> 6 I think many vario issues are associated with plumbing. Eg partly >> blocked line, leak with old plastic plumbing (silicon tube always seals), >> leaking Winter case, the instrument barb on a winter flask being >> unscrewed >> slightly & slight leak, etc. Electric issues can be as simple as voltage >> drop across fuse because fuse has been heated by maybe a surge of power >> and >> that was also suggested by Mike guess 25 years or so. >> >> I could bang on about radio issues & is often aerial & power supply. I >> have an aerial checker (no radio needed) & again it is available for loan. >> Be real careful with a glider that has broken back or very early Cirrus >> or >> Libelle I built aerial or Nimbus 3 or 4 with aerial I rudder with that >> BNC >> that is not sealed from water. >> >> That's all for the moment. >> >> Ian Mc Phee >> 0428847642 >> Box 657 Byron Bay NSW 2481 >> >> On 28/04/2015 9:03 PM, "go_soaring" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > The vent hole on the shroud is an excellent idea, McPhee alerted me to >> > that you came up with that idea - it's on my list to do this form2. I >> can >> > only imagine the life span it'd take away from my instruments. >> > >> > I'd like to change my shroud color too, the color wasn't chosen by me. >> > Another one of those jobs to get around too.. >> > >> > Re: fuses, there's an extra one on my panel for the electric bug wipers >> > that'll one day find themselves installed. >> > >> > On a side note, I'm with James Dutschke - the B700 is amazing as a >> vario. >> > It'd be also great as a sole vario in your glider. I've in fact have >> owned >> > two, reason: to long to describe, rest assured it was for good reasons! >> > >> > >> > Safe Circles, >> > WPP >> > >> > >> > On 28 Apr 2015, at 19:26, Mike Borgelt <[email protected] >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > I don't see a magnetic compass. Isn't compliant with airworthiness >> > requirements. >> > >> > Also nasty shine on the black instrument panel cover. Humbrol Matt Black >> > 33 from your local Toyworld or hobby shop fixes that. 2 coats out of two >> > small cans. Brushes nicely with 1/2" soft brush. >> > >> > Also no vent hole in the cover to let out hot air. Bad pup, no >> biscuit. >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > >> > >> > At 06:32 PM 28/04/2015, you wrote: >> > >> > You have a whole lot of fuses and switches there.? More fuses than >> > instruments. >> > >> > Why so many? >> > >> > On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 6:57 AM, go_soaring <[email protected] > >> > wrote: G'day all,? >> > My apologies, forgot to mention that I run an LX Colibri II as my >> > independent backup vario & nav source. I've flown a practice 400km >> flight >> > with it prior to the Nationals this year, surprisingly worked really >> well >> > as a vario. After all, Tobias Geiger almost won a world championships by >> > flying with a Colibri II alone!! >> > The only thing that would make me feel even better about my CNv, is to >> > have Borgelts brilliant backup battery supply to his B instruments >> added to >> > the CNv - I'm sure it's saved many Mike! >> > >> > Cheers, WPP >> > P.s. My panel as it is now <2a115de.JPG> >> > >> > >> > On 27 Apr 2015, at 18:11, Peter Champness <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > I have just been choosing instruments for a new glider. >> > I did wonder for a moment after reading Adam's post whether I had wasted >> > money on the Winter Vario. >> > However I agree with Mike.? A set on basic instruments (redundancy) is >> > good insurance.? In my case I have something in case of electrical >> failure. >> > No doubt thermal can be found and used without any instruments, but it >> > difficult. >> > On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Mike Borgelt < >> > [email protected]> wrote: At 08:14 AM 27/04/2015, you >> wrote: >> > There????s no need for a winter backup now >> > > Maybe not a Winter vario as backup but you should have a backup. >> Adam's >> > advice is probably the silliest thing I've read in a long time. >> > The only time you may reasonably want to rely on one vario is in a >> > motorglider if you are prepared to start the motor and fly home if the >> > single vario fails. >> > Too bad if you are half way round a 500km triangle and set to win the >> > Nationals if you do reasonably this day. >> > For the paleo engineless gliders you are likely to risk an outlanding >> with >> > its attendant hazards. Pretty stupid to risk breaking your glider or >> > yourself over lack of a backup. >> > If you are serious about competition you should be equipped to cope with >> > single failures of equipment. Most people carry two flight recorders for >> > good reason. >> > A main navigation system and some reasonable backup is also necessary. >> > Hint: fly with the backups working. The time to find out they have >> failed >> > is NOT when you've had another failure. >> > The backup vario may also have a different speed of response and? will >> > likely just display TE vario. Your primary should be showing netto >> > (airmass) or relative netto ( airmass offset down by the sink rate in >> > circling flight - this means it always shows the rate of climb you would >> > get if you slowed down and circled, no matter your current airspeed). >> The >> > two varios may show slightly different information without changing >> modes >> > which can be useful. >> > >> > We've all had even modern electronic equipment fail. Phones, PC's GPS , >> > etc etc. It is pretty good nowadays but anyone doing what Adam says is >> > tempting fate, Murphy's Law and what a physics teacher of mine called >> "the >> > innate cussedness of inanimate matter". >> > When you decide to use a backup you might like to consider that the >> Winter >> > doesn't have an audio or an averager. Do you really want to be sharing >> > thermals with other gliders without an audio? If flying cross country >> you >> > would find you would miss the averager. >> > If you have a backup electronic vario it should have its own independent >> > backup power supply. While a glider electrical system can be fused >> properly >> > so that the radio for example developing an internal short doesn't take >> out >> > the main battery fuse (and if everything dies because of this or >> similar , >> > are you going to simply flip the switch to battery 2 and take out *its* >> > fuse also?) I suspect many aren't. >> > If you decide to join the 21st century for your backup vario get in >> touch >> > and I'll sell you something you'll be happy to fly with when you need >> it. >> > Mike >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list >> > [email protected] To check or change subscription >> > details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > >> > Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring >> > instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel:? ? 07 4635 >> > 5784? ? ? ? ? overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784? ? ? ? ? ? >> ? >> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? :? int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, >> > QLD 4350, Australia >> > _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list >> > [email protected] To check or change subscription >> > details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing >> list >> > [email protected] To check or change subscription >> > details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > >> > _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list >> > [email protected] To check or change subscription >> > details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > >> > >> > Content-Type: image/jpeg; >> > x-apple-part-url=267EF265-9A8B-4F68-ADCA-8D5AA483E849; >> > name="image1.JPG" >> > Content-Disposition: inline; filename="image1.JPG" >> > Content-ID: <267EF265-9A8B-4F68-ADCA-8D5AA483E849> >> > X-Attachment-Id: 4ba9a3ca63d0a91a_0.0.1.1 >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Aus-soaring mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > To check or change subscription details, visit: >> > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > >> > *Borgelt Instruments* - >> > *design & manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * >> > www.borgeltinstruments.com >> > tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 >> > mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 >> > P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Aus-soaring mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > To check or change subscription details, visit: >> > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Aus-soaring mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > To check or change subscription details, visit: >> > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20150429/6257efdc/attachment.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> >> End of Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 139, Issue 54 >> ******************************************** >> > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >
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