I for one can't wait for the day that gliding is a large enough industry that unsolicited glider equipment advertisements are a problem. I expect I may be waiting some time.
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Mike Borgelt < [email protected]> wrote: > Richard, > > I don't think it is a problem when everyone knows where you coming from. > When you, me or Macca or Bernard post it is pretty obvious. I include my > business sig on every post. > > Nothing wrong with a press release by a manufacturer or agent or mention > of a particular product having a particular feature if it comes up in the > usual discourse. It is only a problem if it is "cash for comment" (or > discounts, sponsorship, spotter's fee etc.) with the interest > > NOT being disclosed. > > People do have right to know what they are reading is advertising or fair > comment. > > Mike > > > > > > > > > At 01:04 PM 29/04/2015, you wrote: > > > Just wondering if we all OK with product suppliers using this list towards > their direct commercial benefit? > > I feel general discussion contribution and sharing of actual experience by > all subscribers is most acceptable, but it looks a bit ugly when pushing > specific products is the obvious intent. There are surely other more > accepted channels for that. > > Richard > > > At 12:30 PM 29/04/2015, you wrote: > > Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: varios, redundancy (Ian Mc Phee) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:04:17 +1000 > From: Ian Mc Phee <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <CAAMD4Kon+em9qP-6n-DBQFvceoKA= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Notice my name or products has been used a few times. > > 1 I certainly agree with air vents say infront of compass and cover inside > of hole(s) with fly gauze & this idea certainly came from Mike. Electrics > hate excess heat so PLEASE do this during this winter. > > 2 Pilots have alerted me to the faster, 0.9 lit Winter vario & I now > recommend this unit & the only one I stock these days. Another good > Winter vario is the logarithmic which has expanded in low range but have > not flown with this type recently. > > 3 If using a mechanical then T as close to probe as possible (minimum under > spar). Some pilots have an air switch so winter is not on probe & they > cover up the mechanical but can always be uncovered and used if electric > failure. > > 4 Statics etc MUST be covered up if rain is around & in hornet season the > worst is a partly blocked tube. > > 5 I am sure all varios brands are making quantum leap forward over the > last few year and especially on those gusty broken days. I can say ClearNav > vario is much improved (esp the latest version 3.0) over the earlier > Cambridge 302 which I considered was a great vario but is now 10 years old. > If you would like to try a clearnav vario just ask for a loaner. > > 6 I think many vario issues are associated with plumbing. Eg partly > blocked line, leak with old plastic plumbing (silicon tube always seals), > leaking Winter case, the instrument barb on a winter flask being unscrewed > slightly & slight leak, etc. Electric issues can be as simple as voltage > drop across fuse because fuse has been heated by maybe a surge of power and > that was also suggested by Mike guess 25 years or so. > > I could bang on about radio issues & is often aerial & power supply. I > have an aerial checker (no radio needed) & again it is available for loan. > Be real careful with a glider that has broken back or very early Cirrus or > Libelle I built aerial or Nimbus 3 or 4 with aerial I rudder with that BNC > that is not sealed from water. > > That's all for the moment. > > Ian Mc Phee > 0428847642 > Box 657 Byron Bay NSW 2481 > > On 28/04/2015 9:03 PM, "go_soaring" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The vent hole on the shroud is an excellent idea, McPhee alerted me to > > that you came up with that idea - it's on my list to do this form2. I can > > only imagine the life span it'd take away from my instruments. > > > > I'd like to change my shroud color too, the color wasn't chosen by me. > > Another one of those jobs to get around too.. > > > > Re: fuses, there's an extra one on my panel for the electric bug wipers > > that'll one day find themselves installed. > > > > On a side note, I'm with James Dutschke - the B700 is amazing as a vario. > > It'd be also great as a sole vario in your glider. I've in fact have > owned > > two, reason: to long to describe, rest assured it was for good reasons! > > > > > > Safe Circles, > > WPP > > > > > > On 28 Apr 2015, at 19:26, Mike Borgelt <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > I don't see a magnetic compass. Isn't compliant with airworthiness > > requirements. > > > > Also nasty shine on the black instrument panel cover. Humbrol Matt Black > > 33 from your local Toyworld or hobby shop fixes that. 2 coats out of two > > small cans. Brushes nicely with 1/2" soft brush. > > > > Also no vent hole in the cover to let out hot air. Bad pup, no biscuit. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > At 06:32 PM 28/04/2015, you wrote: > > > > You have a whole lot of fuses and switches there.? More fuses than > > instruments. > > > > Why so many? > > > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 6:57 AM, go_soaring <[email protected] > > > wrote: G'day all,? > > My apologies, forgot to mention that I run an LX Colibri II as my > > independent backup vario & nav source. I've flown a practice 400km flight > > with it prior to the Nationals this year, surprisingly worked really well > > as a vario. After all, Tobias Geiger almost won a world championships by > > flying with a Colibri II alone!! > > The only thing that would make me feel even better about my CNv, is to > > have Borgelts brilliant backup battery supply to his B instruments added > to > > the CNv - I'm sure it's saved many Mike! > > > > Cheers, WPP > > P.s. My panel as it is now <2a115de.JPG> > > > > > > On 27 Apr 2015, at 18:11, Peter Champness <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I have just been choosing instruments for a new glider. > > I did wonder for a moment after reading Adam's post whether I had wasted > > money on the Winter Vario. > > However I agree with Mike.? A set on basic instruments (redundancy) is > > good insurance.? In my case I have something in case of electrical > failure. > > No doubt thermal can be found and used without any instruments, but it > > difficult. > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Mike Borgelt < > > [email protected]> wrote: At 08:14 AM 27/04/2015, you > wrote: > > There????s no need for a winter backup now > > > Maybe not a Winter vario as backup but you should have a backup. Adam's > > advice is probably the silliest thing I've read in a long time. > > The only time you may reasonably want to rely on one vario is in a > > motorglider if you are prepared to start the motor and fly home if the > > single vario fails. > > Too bad if you are half way round a 500km triangle and set to win the > > Nationals if you do reasonably this day. > > For the paleo engineless gliders you are likely to risk an outlanding > with > > its attendant hazards. Pretty stupid to risk breaking your glider or > > yourself over lack of a backup. > > If you are serious about competition you should be equipped to cope with > > single failures of equipment. Most people carry two flight recorders for > > good reason. > > A main navigation system and some reasonable backup is also necessary. > > Hint: fly with the backups working. The time to find out they have failed > > is NOT when you've had another failure. > > The backup vario may also have a different speed of response and? will > > likely just display TE vario. Your primary should be showing netto > > (airmass) or relative netto ( airmass offset down by the sink rate in > > circling flight - this means it always shows the rate of climb you would > > get if you slowed down and circled, no matter your current airspeed). The > > two varios may show slightly different information without changing modes > > which can be useful. > > > > We've all had even modern electronic equipment fail. Phones, PC's GPS , > > etc etc. It is pretty good nowadays but anyone doing what Adam says is > > tempting fate, Murphy's Law and what a physics teacher of mine called > "the > > innate cussedness of inanimate matter". > > When you decide to use a backup you might like to consider that the > Winter > > doesn't have an audio or an averager. Do you really want to be sharing > > thermals with other gliders without an audio? If flying cross country you > > would find you would miss the averager. > > If you have a backup electronic vario it should have its own independent > > backup power supply. While a glider electrical system can be fused > properly > > so that the radio for example developing an internal short doesn't take > out > > the main battery fuse (and if everything dies because of this or similar > , > > are you going to simply flip the switch to battery 2 and take out *its* > > fuse also?) I suspect many aren't. > > If you decide to join the 21st century for your backup vario get in touch > > and I'll sell you something you'll be happy to fly with when you need it. > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list > > [email protected] To check or change subscription > > details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring > > instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel:? ? 07 4635 > > 5784? ? ? ? ? overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784? ? ? ? ? ? ? > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? :? int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, > > QLD 4350, Australia > > _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list > > [email protected] To check or change subscription > > details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list > > [email protected] To check or change subscription > > details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list > > [email protected] To check or change subscription > > details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > > > Content-Type: image/jpeg; > > x-apple-part-url=267EF265-9A8B-4F68-ADCA-8D5AA483E849; > > name="image1.JPG" > > Content-Disposition: inline; filename="image1.JPG" > > Content-ID: <267EF265-9A8B-4F68-ADCA-8D5AA483E849> > > X-Attachment-Id: 4ba9a3ca63d0a91a_0.0.1.1 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aus-soaring mailing list > > [email protected] > > To check or change subscription details, visit: > > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > *Borgelt Instruments* - > > *design & manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * > > www.borgeltinstruments.com > > tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 > > mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 > > P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aus-soaring mailing list > > [email protected] > > To check or change subscription details, visit: > > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aus-soaring mailing list > > [email protected] > > To check or change subscription details, visit: > > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20150429/6257efdc/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > End of Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 139, Issue 54 > ******************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > *Borgelt Instruments* - > *design & manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * > www.borgeltinstruments.com > tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 > mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 > P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >
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