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Enclosed are the minutes from last weeks call
regards
Andrew
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Minutes of the 29th November 2018 Teleconference Austin-895 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 4th December 2018
Attendees:
Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR
Joerg Schilling, FOKUS Fraunhofer
Eric Blake, Red Hat
Don Cragun, IEEE PASC OR
Geoff Clare, The Open Group
Andrew Josey, The Open Group
Mike Crowe, (BrightSign)
Martin Rehak, Oracle, The Open Group OR
Mark Ziegast, SHware Systems (Etherpad only)
* General news
None
* Outstanding actions
(Please note that this section has been flushed to shorten the minutes -
to locate the previous set of outstanding actions, look to the minutes
from 9 March 2018 and earlier)
Bug 1077: Recommend support for wide-character regcomp and regexec and/or
specify multi-byte behavior OPEN
http://austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1077
Andrew has completed the action to ping his Apple contact and is
awaiting a reply.
Bug 1122: POSIX should include gettext() and friends OPEN
http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1122
Left open as an action is still in progress to flesh out a complete proposal.
* Current Business
Bug 1134: Add getentropy interface OPEN
http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1134
Action: Andrew to add boilerplate response regarding a proposal for
new interface, and also to ask The Open Group OR if they would
sponsor this addition.
Both Actions now Completed.
(update 19 Oct 2018)
There has been no reaction from the Base Working Group and the period for
comments has ended now.
Bug 1138: Add strsignal(), sig2str() and str2sig() to the standard. OPEN
http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1138
Martin has completed his action. Andrew took an action to chase
the Base Working group members for sponsorship of the two interfaces.
Update: The action on Andrew is still open.
Bug 1216: Adding clockid parameter to functions that accept absolute struct
timespec timeouts OPEN
http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1216
There is strong sentiment in favor of this proposal, but it needs
more work fleshing out the editing instructions and details. This
may help get the proposed interfaces into glibc, therefore providing
a reference implementation. Once that happens, it should be easier
to find a sponsor.
Things to consider, based on points made during the discussion:
Look at how openat() is defined in terms of open() and copy
that style in writing a new page for each new function. In
particular, be sure to include things like ERRORS where you
call out all of the same errors as the older function, plus
the additional errors of EINVAL for unknown clock, ENOTSUP for
clock that can't be used, ... APPLICATION_USAGE should mention
that some clocks (like CLOCK_CPUTIME) may not be suitable
(precisely because the clock doesn't increment while the
interface is blocked) Also, directions to the editor on page/line
numbers against the pdf for where to insert other references
(such as the new signature for pthread_cond_clockwait() in
<pthread.h>, in addition to the new page for the documentation
of pthread_cond_clockwait() itself) If some functions in the
set are difficult to implement, it's okay to document the
signature in FUTURE DIRECTIONS, while focusing on condvar as
the main one to standardize now Pointing to the glibc mailing
list threads with patch proposals matching the POSIX wording
proposal will help show that there is existing practice (even
if glibc hasn't incorporated the patches yet, the fact that
the patches are in the public will count towards an existing
practice claim) - the URLs do not have to be part of the
proposed normative text additions, but having the cross-link
trail in the bug page will help
Bug 1145: compound-list does not required a terminating semicolon even in
compound commands, which is contradictory with implementations.
http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1145
Closed, Rejected:
The command:
until a do b; done
is not accepted by the grammar because in the grammar do_group
requires a "do" keyword to be present, and this command does not
have one. (The word "do" in this command is an ordinary word to be
passed as an argument to "a"; it is not recognised as a keyword.)
This appears to be the same misinterpretation of the shell grammar
rules as was made in 0001046.
Update: this bug was discussed in the Nov 29, 2018 teleconference
and is being rejected for the reason given above.
Bug 1146: "total" line in ls -l output Accepted as marked.
http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1146
An interpretation required. This is tagged with the TC3-2008 tag
Interpretation response:
The standard states that ls lists the space requirements for all
files in a directory, and conforming implementations must conform
to this. However, concerns have been raised about this which are
being referred to the sponsor.
Rationale:
This is not (and never has been) existing practice.
Notes to the Editor (not part of this interpretation):
On page 2928 line 96855 section ls, change:
... each list of files within the directory shall be preceded
by a status line indicating the number of file system blocks
occupied by files in the directory ...
to:
... each list of files within a directory shall be preceded by
a status line indicating the number of file system blocks
occupied by the listed files for that directory ...
Add to Application Usage on p2930 after line 96908:
The <tt>total</tt> number provided when using ls -l does not
necessarily correspond to the space that would be reclaimed if
all the listed files were removed, because of hard links (and
symbolic links if -L is present). The space for each listed
file is counted in the total regardless of any relationship
between the files.
Bug 1147: ls -l -F/-p and symlinks OPEN
http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1147
Discussion started on this item and will continue on the next call.
Next Steps
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The next call is on December 6th 2018 (Thursday).
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This call will be for the regular 90 minutes.
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An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date format as
below:
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