approved (via email and at the PRs listed)

Paul

On Thu, Jan 8, 2026 at 4:49 PM Madison Church <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Hi Authors, *Paul,
>
> Happy new year!
>
> This is a friendly reminder that we have yet to hear back from you
> regarding the readiness of this document’s contents before moving forward
> with formatting updates.
>
> *Paul - As responsible AD for this document, please review the changes
> below and let us know if you approve:
> https://github.com/tlswg/draft-ietf-tls-esni/pull/668
> https://github.com/tlswg/draft-ietf-tls-esni/pull/667
>
> For the AUTH48 status page, see: https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9849
> .
>
> Thank you!
> Madison Church
> RFC Production Center
>
>
> > On Dec 18, 2025, at 12:46 PM, Madison Church <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Eric,
> >
> > Thank you for the followup! We have updated the AUTH48 status page (
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9849) and we will wait to hear from
> you once you complete your final content review.
> >
> > Madison Church
> > RFC Production Center
> >
> >> On Dec 18, 2025, at 12:33 PM, Eric Rescorla <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> FWIW I think Paul actually just approved this one change, not the
> overall RFC.
> >>
> >> I have merged this markdown file into the version on GitHub. There are
> two pending
> >> changes that are technically not just editorial, though I think obvious
> and need Paul's
> >> approval:
> >>
> >> https://github.com/tlswg/draft-ietf-tls-esni/pull/668
> >> https://github.com/tlswg/draft-ietf-tls-esni/pull/667
> >>
> >> In parallel, I will also need to give it a final top-to-bottom read,
> which I hope to do in the next
> >> week or so.
> >>
> >> -Ekr
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 18, 2025 at 9:42 AM Madison Church <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >> Hi Paul,
> >>
> >> We have marked your approval on the AUTH48 status page (see
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9849).
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Madison Church
> >> RFC Production Center
> >>
> >>> On Dec 18, 2025, at 11:27 AM, Paul Wouters <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Dec 18, 2025, at 11:06, Madison Church <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Authors, *Paul,
> >>>>
> >>>> *Paul - As responsible AD, please note that we await your approval of
> RFC YYY1 as an Informative Reference (changed from Normative to
> Informative).
> >>>
> >>> approved
> >>>
> >>> Paul
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Authors - This is a friendly reminder that we await approvals from
> each author prior to moving forward with formatting updates.
> >>>>
> >>>> For details of the AUTH48 process in kramdown-rfc (including the
> two-part approval process), see
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rpc/wiki/doku.php?id=pilot_test_kramdown_rfc.
> >>>>
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> >>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849.html
> >>>>
> >>>> Markdown file:
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> >>>>
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> side)
> >>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-auth48diff.html (diff
> showing AUTH48 changes)
> >>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-auth48rfcdiff.html (side
> by side)
> >>>>
> >>>> Markdown diffs:
> >>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-md-diff.html
> >>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-md-rfcdiff.html
> >>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-md-auth48diff.html
> >>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-md-auth48rfcdiff.html
> >>>>
> >>>> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see:
> >>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9849
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you,
> >>>>
> >>>> Madison Church
> >>>> RFC Production Center
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Dec 11, 2025, at 10:07 AM, Madison Church <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Eric, *Paul,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Eric - Thank you for your reply! We weren’t sure if this was
> intentional, so thank you for clarifying. We have moved RFC YYY1 to the
> Informative References section.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *Paul - As responsible AD, please let us know if you approve RFC
> YYY1 as an Informative Reference.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please review the contents of the document carefully. Contact us
> with any further updates or with your approval of the document’s contents
> in its current form. We will await approvals from each author prior to
> moving forward with formatting updates.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For details of the AUTH48 process in kramdown-rfc (including the
> two-part approval process), see
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rpc/wiki/doku.php?id=pilot_test_kramdown_rfc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The files have been posted here (please refresh):
> >>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849.txt
> >>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849.pdf
> >>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Markdown file:
> >>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849.md
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The relevant diff files have been posted here (please refresh):
> >>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-diff.html (comprehensive
> diff)
> >>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-rfcdiff.html (side by
> side)
> >>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-auth48diff.html (diff
> showing AUTH48 changes)
> >>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-auth48rfcdiff.html (side
> by side)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Markdown diffs:
> >>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-md-diff.html
> >>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-md-rfcdiff.html
> >>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-md-auth48diff.html
> >>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-md-auth48rfcdiff.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see:
> >>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9849
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you,
> >>>>> Madison Church
> >>>>> RFC Production Center
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2025, at 4:38 PM, Eric Rescorla <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Madison,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I believe that the citation to RFCYYY1 should be informative, not
> normative. I corrected that in
> >>>>>> my version but I guess I forgot to flag it. Paul, co-authors, any
> objections?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Ekr
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2025 at 2:16 PM Madison Church <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi Eric,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you for the updated markdown file! We have incorporated your
> edits into the document. Upon further review, we have also updated the term
> "Shared Mode" to follow the same pattern as "Split Mode" (uppercase on
> first use and in titles, lowercase otherwise). Please let us know any
> objections. Additionally, we will update the WHATWG reference per our
> discussion during formatting. Aside from the updates mentioned, we have no
> further questions/comments at this time.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please review the contents of the document carefully. Contact us
> with any further updates or with your approval of the document’s contents
> in its current form. We will await approvals from each author prior to
> moving forward with formatting updates.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For details of the AUTH48 process in kramdown-rfc (including the
> two-part approval process), see
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rpc/wiki/doku.php?id=pilot_test_kramdown_rfc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The files have been posted here (please refresh):
> >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849.txt
> >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849.pdf
> >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Markdown file:
> >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849.md
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The relevant diff files have been posted here (please refresh):
> >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-diff.html
> (comprehensive diff)
> >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-rfcdiff.html (side by
> side)
> >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-auth48diff.html (diff
> showing AUTH48 changes)
> >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-auth48rfcdiff.html
> (side by side)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Markdown diffs:
> >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-md-diff.html
> >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-md-rfcdiff.html
> >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-md-auth48diff.html
> >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-md-auth48rfcdiff.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see:
> >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9849
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you,
> >>>>>> Madison Church
> >>>>>> RFC Production Center
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2025, at 7:12 PM, Eric Rescorla <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Here is an updated markdown file with the fixed width adjustments.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tlswg/draft-ietf-tls-esni/refs/heads/auth48/rfc9849.md
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -Ekr
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2025 at 9:49 AM Eric Rescorla <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2025 at 6:23 AM Madison Church <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi Eric,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you for your reply! Please see inline.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Dec 2, 2025, at 1:38 PM, Eric Rescorla <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Re the questions and comments:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> * I will send a revised file with the fixed width issues fixed
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Noted!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> * As I understand the WHATWG question, there are two distinct
> issues (1) whether to reference a commit and (2) whether to reference
> fragments. I'm OK with referencing a commit like this if that's what you
> agreed with WHATWG, but I read this text as saying not to reference
> fragments unless we ensure that the anchor is permanent
> https://whatwg.org/working-mode#anchors. Have we done so for this one?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you for clarifying. We are unsure if the current anchor [1]
> is permanent, so we would recommend not using it and using the more general
> one [2]. However, if any other authors put in a request with WHATWG to make
> that anchor permanent, please let us know.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [1] https://url.spec.whatwg.org/#concept-ipv4-parser
> >>>>>>> [2] https://url.spec.whatwg.org/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think we are in agreement, then, thanks.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -Ekr
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Madison Church
> >>>>>>> RFC Production Center
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -Ekr
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2025 at 6:58 AM Madison Church <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi Authors,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This is a friendly weekly reminder that we await answers to the
> followup questions/comments below and your review of the document before
> continuing with the publication process. For details of the AUTH48 process
> in kramdown-rfc (including the two-part approval process), see:
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rpc/wiki/doku.php?id=pilot_test_kramdown_rfc.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thank you!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Madison Church
> >>>>>>>> RFC Production Center
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 25, 2025, at 8:34 AM, Madison Church <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Eric,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thank you for your reply! We have updated the document as
> requested and have two followup items for your review, which can be viewed
> in the AUTH48 thread below or in the updated markdown file marked with
> "rfced".
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2025, at 10:33 PM, Eric Rescorla <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Update: I fixed my affiliation.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2025 at 8:23 PM Eric Rescorla <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you. I am editing this in GitHub. I merged in your
> proposed changes except
> >>>>>>>>>> for those I think are inadvisable, which I reverted. I answered
> your questions inline.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> You can find the latest markdown file here (also attached):
> >>>>>>>>>>
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tlswg/draft-ietf-tls-esni/refs/heads/auth48/rfc9849.md
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -Ekr
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 10:53 AM <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Authors,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> While reviewing this document during AUTH48, please resolve (as
> necessary) the following questions, which are also in the source file.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 1) <!-- [rfced] References
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> a) Regarding [WHATWG-IPV4], this reference's date is May 2021.
> >>>>>>>>>> The URL provided resolves to a page with "Last Updated 12 May
> 2025".
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Note that WHATWG provides "commit snapshots" of their living
> standards and
> >>>>>>>>>> there are several commit snapshots from May 2021 with the
> latest being from 20
> >>>>>>>>>> May 2021. For example: 20 May 2021
> >>>>>>>>>> (
> https://url.spec.whatwg.org/commit-snapshots/1b8b8c55eb4bed9f139c9a439fb1c1bf5566b619/#concept-ipv4-parser
> )
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> We recommend updating this reference to the most current
> version of the WHATWG
> >>>>>>>>>> Living Standard, replacing the URL with the more general URL to
> the standard
> >>>>>>>>>> (https://url.spec.whatwg.org/), and adding a "commit snapshot"
> URL to the
> >>>>>>>>>> reference.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Current:
> >>>>>>>>>> [WHATWG-IPV4]
> >>>>>>>>>>       WHATWG, "URL - IPv4 Parser", WHATWG Living Standard, May
> >>>>>>>>>>        2021, <https://url.spec.whatwg.org/#concept-ipv4-parser
> >.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> EKR: Per MT, WHATWG has asked us not to do that. We should leave
> >>>>>>>>>> this as-is and change the date to December 2025.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 1) For context, we reached out to WHATWG in September about a
> format for references to their standards (see:
> https://github.com/whatwg/meta/issues/363). The proposed update below for
> this reference reflects the approved format. It would be helpful for the
> RPC to know what WHATWG has asked authors to not do so that we can reach
> out for clarification and update our recommended citation if necessary.
> With this in mind, let us know if any updates need to be made.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
> >>>>>>>>> [WHATWG-IPV4]
> >>>>>>>>>       WHATWG, "URL - IPv4 Parser", WHATWG Living Standard,
> >>>>>>>>>       <https://url.spec.whatwg.org/#concept-ipv4-parser>.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>       Commit snapshot:
> >>>>>>>>>
> https://url.spec.whatwg.org/commit-snapshots/1b8b8c55eb4bed9f139c9a439fb1c1bf5566b619/#concept-ipv4-parser
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Regarding the date, we don't recommend using a future date for a
> reference as it doesn't reflect the date for a currently published work
> (unless there is an anticipated update to the WHATWG specification in
> December 2025).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> d) FYI, RFCYYY1 (draft-ietf-tls-svcb-ech) will be updated
> during the XML stage.
> >>>>>>>>>> -->
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 7) <!-- [rfced] We note that the following terms use
> fixed-width font
> >>>>>>>>>> inconsistently. Please review these terms and let us know how
> we should update
> >>>>>>>>>> or if there are any specific patterns that should be followed
> (e.g.,
> >>>>>>>>>> fixed-width font used for field names, variants, etc.).
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> accept_confirmation
> >>>>>>>>>> cipher_suite
> >>>>>>>>>> ClientHello
> >>>>>>>>>> ClientHelloInner
> >>>>>>>>>> ClientHelloOuter
> >>>>>>>>>> ClientHelloOuterAAD
> >>>>>>>>>> config_id
> >>>>>>>>>> ECHClientHello
> >>>>>>>>>> ECHConfig
> >>>>>>>>>> ECHConfig.contents.public_name
> >>>>>>>>>> ECHConfigContents
> >>>>>>>>>> ECHConfigList
> >>>>>>>>>> EncodedClientHelloInner
> >>>>>>>>>> inner
> >>>>>>>>>> maximum_name_length
> >>>>>>>>>> outer
> >>>>>>>>>> payload
> >>>>>>>>>> public_key
> >>>>>>>>>> ServerHello.random
> >>>>>>>>>> zeros
> >>>>>>>>>> —>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> EKR: Thanks. Fixed width should be used for field names and
> other PDUs.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I notice that some of these are regular words (zeros) so you
> have to determine from context whether it's referring to some protocol
> element or just to the concept "carries an encrypted payload" versus "the
> payload field". Do you want to take a cut at changing as many of these as
> make sense and then I can review, or would you prefer I make the changes?
> >>>>>>>>>> One question is what to do in definition lists. My sense is
> that the list heds should be non-fixed-width but maybe you have a
> convention.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2) Thank you for offering to make changes. Please feel free to
> attach an updated markdown file containing the changes for terms using
> fixed-width font.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> For definition lists, we typically leave this up to the authors
> to determine how they would like the terms to appear for consistency. For
> an example of terms in a definition list using a fixed-width font, see:
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9623.html#section-5.1.1.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The files have been posted here (please refresh):
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849.txt
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849.pdf
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849.html
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849.xml
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849.md
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The relevant diff files have been posted here (please refresh):
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-diff.html
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-rfcdiff.html (side
> by side)
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-auth48diff.html
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-auth48rfcdiff.html
> (side by side)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Markdown diffs:
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-md-diff.html
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-md-rfcdiff.html
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-md-auth48diff.html
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9849-md-auth48rfcdiff.html
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see:
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9849.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We will await approvals from each author prior to moving forward
> with formatting updates. For details of the AUTH48 process in kramdown-rfc
> (including the two-part approval process), see:
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rpc/wiki/doku.php?id=pilot_test_kramdown_rfc.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Madison Church
> >>>>>>>>> RFC Production Center
>
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