In a message dated 10/7/2008 6:02:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Hi John, > > My Ivens line starts in Lagoa with my 2nd great-grandfather Joao Ivens. > According to birth records of his children, parents are listed as unknown, > but > that doesn't mean that they're not on another document somewhere else. Oral > tradition in our family has always said that the family was originally from > Wales and that Joao's father's name was Thomas, having married his Portuguese > housekeeper. I am very familiar with the Ivens research done by other people > I've come across online, but my problem right now is that I can't make a link > with my great-great grandfather to any of the Ivens Sao Miguel genealogy. > > As far as what I have from Bretanha, it appears in my family tree with the > marriage of my 7th great-grandfather Manoel de Amaral. He was born in > Bretanha before 1716 and was the son of Manoel de Oliveira Cabesseiras and > Maria de > Benevides. He married Antonia de Almeida (of Rabo de Peixe) on 13 December > 1732 in Rabo de Peixe. Later generations are from Rabo de Peixe. > > Hope this helps! > > Matt > Hi Matt,
I have several Thomas Ivens in my data base. The Ivens of S. Miguel descend from William Breakspeare Ivens, born in Swinesbrook, Oxfordshire and Elizabeth Flora Hickling, born in Ponta Delgada; I'm sure you already have their lineage, but if you need more, I have their lineage. I have a João Ivens, born in 1878 in Ponta Delgada, but he is the legitimate child of Thomas Edward Ivens and Maria Rocha de Medeiros. Thomas died in 1880 and married twice: first in 1842 to Henriett Carew, of Baltimona Park, Watterford, Ireland, and secondly in S. Miguel on 31.10.1878 to Maria de Medeiros, of Nosdestinho, daughter of Manuel Pacheco and Rosa de Medeiros Pacheco, with whom he lived before they married. I suppose it is possible that he could have had a son João by Maria before they married, whom they abandoned to an orphanage. They did have a legitimate son João born in 1876. Cabeceiras is not a Bretanha surname. It is prominent in the neighboring parishes of S. Bárbara and Santo António além Capelas. I do have a Manuel de Oliveira, son of António Oliveira and Bárbara Tavares Cabral, married in Bretanha on 5 Apr 1704 to Maria de Benevides, daughter of António Medeiros and Ana Martins. I am sorry I cannot be of more help. Please let me know if you need any other information. John --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
